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Marat Safin - the best contemporary Davis Cup player

Since Marat became a leader of Team Russia ( that is , since he won USO 2000 ), he participated in 14 Davis Cup ties. Russia is 13-1 in those, and the only loss came in Belarus .. and you know that story .. should have been perfect 14-0 for Russia with Safin leading it.. Russia with Safin is .. invincible..
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Since Marat became a leader of Team Russia ( that is , since he won USO 2000 ), he participated in 14 Davis Cup ties. Russia is 13-1 in those, and the only loss came in Belarus .. and you know that story .. should have been perfect 14-0 for Russia with Safin leading it.. Russia with Safin is .. invincible..
Safin has something but i dont know what, but yes, when he plays russia allways wins

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Since Marat became a leader of Team Russia ( that is , since he won USO 2000 ), he participated in 14 Davis Cup ties. Russia is 13-1 in those, and the only loss came in Belarus .. and you know that story .. should have been perfect 14-0 for Russia with Safin leading it.. Russia with Safin is .. invincible..
Yes and no... Safin is a real Russian legend, but any DC success based on a team effort.
If Tursunov would not beat Roddick last year in Semis, Russia could not be playing in the Final...
and if Andreev would not win his match earlier this year with Massu, Russia could not be playing in Quarters with France today.
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Since Marat became a leader of Team Russia ( that is , since he won USO 2000 ), he participated in 14 Davis Cup ties. Russia is 13-1 in those, and the only loss came in Belarus .. and you know that story .. should have been perfect 14-0 for Russia with Safin leading it.. Russia with Safin is .. invincible..

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Yes and no... Safin is a real Russian legend, but any DC success based on a team effort.
If Tursunov would not beat Roddick last year in Semis, Russia could not be playing in the Final...
and if Andreev would not win his match earlier this year with Massu, Russia could not be playing in Quarters with France today.
I agree about the team effort, but you don't think Safin would have beaten Blake on home clay in a live fifth rubber?

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I agree about the team effort, but you don't think Safin would have beaten Blake on home clay in a live fifth rubber?
Blake (on his favorite hard cort) lost to Safin in Washington last summer
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Since Marat became a leader of Team Russia ( that is , since he won USO 2000 ), he participated in 14 Davis Cup ties. Russia is 13-1 in those, and the only loss came in Belarus .. and you know that story .. should have been perfect 14-0 for Russia with Safin leading it.. Russia with Safin is .. invincible..
Nah, he's been the top dog of Russian tennis but he's had Kafelnikov earlier and then Youzhny & Davydenko to fall back on when things have been going badly. In 2001 he got beaten in both his singles matches by Kucera & Hrbaty but Russia still advanced from that one.

He's in the contemporary top 3, I'll give you that. Hewitt still stands in his own colossal heights but Safin occupies the second spot with Nalbandian, who is hard to rank because he has no team success apart from last year's final appearance but there's only one time Argentina ever progressed with him losing a live rubber and that was last year against Croatia. Hewitt has been in a decline a few years and we'll see how Dave rebounds from his sub-par showing in Göteborg. Safin's relative longevity might actually have me agree with you by the end of this year.

Ljubicic and Hrbaty, maybe even Escude or Jiri Novak (well they were active in the same time segment) are other noteworthy names that spring into mind easily. Ljubicic was a monster at his peak, which wasn't that long, apparently. Hrbaty has a steady if somewhat uninspiring DC career and Escude is a bit of a curiosity; he was never the go-to guy in his team and his career record of 18w-5l is inflated by a higher amount of dead rubbers than with the other top guys. He deserves a mention, though.

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well, yes, like seneca said, safin and hsi team won all this ties not only for him, Youzhny, davydenko, tursnov and andreev had great matches that helped russia, not only Safin. What we can say is that this russia is one of the best teams of davis cup history, becouse its very complete and have top players,
Also, they can play in all surfaces, clay, hard, carpet, so, its very difficult when another team faces them, becouse its hard to choose the surface (maybe the grass is the best option, but today not to much temas has grat grass players...), so, russians can addapt to any surface

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Its nothing to do with the fact that if safin plays they win, whether he wins or lose, they win.

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Its nothing to do with the fact that if safin plays they win, whether he wins or lose, they win.
Its just his presence

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well, yes, like seneca said, safin and hsi team won all this ties not only for him, Youzhny, davydenko, tursnov and andreev had great matches that helped russia, not only Safin. What we can say is that this russia is one of the best teams of davis cup history, becouse its very complete and have top players,
Also, they can play in all surfaces, clay, hard, carpet, so, its very difficult when another team faces them, becouse its hard to choose the surface (maybe the grass is the best option, but today not to much temas has grat grass players...), so, russians can addapt to any surface
There is no denial about Russian depth and importance of team effort. That's not the point.. Just compile the stats of Russia-when-Safin-is-injured and compare it to 13-1. You can call him a Russian talisman , if you don't see tennis-related or psychology-related roots, I am fine with that..
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Back in 2002, the year Russia first won the title, they were effectively one service hold from Kratochvil away from going out in the first round to Switzerland, but Kafelnikov fought back to win in five which proved to be crucial in the end. But there's no denying that Safin has delivered in some big matches in DC, he won all his matches that same year aside from that one loss to Federer and last year it was only Nalbandian who managed to defeat him.

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It makes sense that Safin is a brilliant Davis Cup player. When you are playing for yourself, its easy to be half assed about it because the only person you are really accountable for is yourself. When playing for your own country, the result is going to affect many more peoeple and you're more inclined to give 100%. Safin's brain farts are few and far between in Davis Cup.

I'd still put Hewitt in front of him though, that guy is a nutcase when it comes to playing for his own country.

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