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Great on grass, good on hard court, mediocre on clay, is Federer the new Sampras?

The unbalanced schedule allow players to dominate and rack Slams, even if they can't win on the only surface that truly requires talent: clay.

Unless Roger wins the French Open, he will be lumped in the same category as Sampras: an incomplete player who lacked the talent to win on clay.

At the moment, neither Sampras or Federer can be considered as the greatest of all time.
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making at least the final of every major clay court tournament is considered mediocre??

So, there are like what, four or five mediocre clay court players and that's it?
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Re: Is Federer the new Sampras?

Only "good" on Hard courts? I wonder what one has to do to be considered more than good on HC seeing as how Fed has 6 GS on hard courts, plus 3 TMC, plus 9 AMS.

Mediocre on clay? He has 3 AMS titles on clay, 3 AMS finals, 1 final and 1 semi at RG.
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you should be banned for that much stupidity in one single post.
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Re: Is Federer the new Sampras?

Federer is amazing on hard courts. Maybe the most dominant hard court player of all-time.

As for clay, at least a title in Monte Carlo or Rome wouldn't hurt but he's miles ahead of Sampras in terms of clay ability. Sampras was able to get his act together a few times on clay between 94-96. Outside of that he was atrocious on the surface with terrible balance and mediocre baseline game.

I agree that Sampras' ineptness on clay should disqualify him from consideration for the greatest of all time. Federer, however, has proven to be an all-courter. But he should get the clay results this spring and the next to back that up.
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Re: Is Federer the new Sampras?

Sampras category is: greatest of all time. If Federer gets to that level, it's good enough.
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Mediocre on clay? how many masters has he won on clay? 2 i think, french open final and semi finals...mediocre????

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Re: Is Federer the new Sampras?

This is just a campaign to get votes for the Arseclown contest.

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Re: Is Federer the new Sampras?

And when Federer does win the French, half of MTF will still consider him mediocre on clay.

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Great on grass, good on hard court, mediocre on clay, is Federer the new Sampras?

The unbalanced schedule allow players to dominate and rack Slams, even if they can't win on the only surface that truly requires talent: clay.

Unless Roger wins the French Open, he will be lumped in the same category as Sampras: an incomplete player who lacked the talent to win on clay.

At the moment, neither Sampras or Federer can be considered as the greatest of all time.
I'll look at it from you're prespective. Nadal won 2 French Opens beating a mediocre Fed in the Semis once and a second time in the Finals. He also beat Fed in the Finals of Monte Carlo and Rome. What you are saying is that Nadal is only a slightly better than mediocre clay court player having only beaten a mediocre player for his titles.



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Re: Is Federer the new Sampras?

As much as I love Pete, Federer is a much better player on clay than he was. The word mediocre and Sampras/Federer do not go together.

Congratulations on an insightful and thought provoking thread.
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Re: Is Federer the new Sampras?

If Federer can´t be considered an all-court player, who can in the last twenty years?
Even if Agassi managed to complete a career slam he wasn´t as versatile as Federer is. IMO is not a matter of titles, is a matter of game style and adaptation to the different courts.
It´s unfair to say that Federer´s game on clay is mediocre. Not being a clay court specialist, he has done a big effort to master this surface.
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