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Nadal is the smartest tennis player of this generation (proved)

It appears that to win on clay a player needs to be able to construct a point. Use their intelligence to set the opponent up as in chess.

While on fast courts all you need are good reflexes and serving skills. Nothing which requires higher level strategy.

Is clay disrespected because most people are not smart enough to understand the strategy and athleticism behind it?

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Re: Intellect needed for playing on slow courts vs fast courts

That's a good point. It's kinda weird that a lot of the game's great champions didn't do so well on the clay courts of Roland Garros. But does this mean they lacked intellect and were mindless ball-bashers? I don't think so.

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Re: Intellect needed for playing on slow courts vs fast courts

Don't see what's so intelligent about hitting the ball repeatedly with heavy topspinn 10 feet over the net down the middle of the court???
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Re: Intellect needed for playing on slow courts vs fast courts

It's actually the complete opposite. You need reflexes and skill to be able to react quickly on quick surfaces - there is less time to decide where you should be on the court. Clay courts require only one thing: patience...and maybe a drop shot.
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Re: Intellect needed for playing on slow courts vs fast courts

Tennis on hardcourts = chess at 90 mph
Tennis on claycourts = chess at 40 mph
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Re: Intellect needed for playing on slow courts vs fast courts

Intelligence is needed for all courts - just in a different way.

Slow courts - its a war of attrition.

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Re: Intellect needed for playing on slow courts vs fast courts

just take a look at gaudio and you're point's gone: all he has are amazingly stable groundstrokes, going for 283-shot-rallies all the time. i guess stuff like that drives guys like roddick or ljubicic nuts. and to be honest, i don't think he (gaudio) thinks that much about "contructing points" in that respect.
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Re: Intellect needed for playing on slow courts vs fast courts

R=FK, I love clay tennis and you are one of the last people that I would want attempting to present an intellectual argument about this topic.

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Re: Intellect needed for playing on slow courts vs fast courts

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It appears that to win on clay a player needs to be able to construct a point. Use their intelligence to set the opponent up as in chess.

While on fast courts all you need are good reflexes and serving skills. Nothing which requires higher level strategy.

Is clay disrespected because most people are not smart enough to understand the strategy and athleticism behind it?
I wouldn't go quite that far, I think you need much more on fast courts than just serve and reflexes. But I see your point. Clay is the one surface which reveals the weaknesses in one's game. On clay, you must have good ground strokes, good serve, consistency, good fitness and a lot of tactical skill. You have to master all to be successful. Whereas on grass one could do well even if your backhand for example is unreliable.
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Re: Intellect needed for playing on slow courts vs fast courts

Only casual fans think fast court playing doesn't require tactical skills. Serve and volley and chip and charge tactics are very clever ones and require anticipation and great placement. Courier game was much less clever for example, turning his backhand time and time again, explain me where is the intellectual superiority of this ? Patience and consistency on groundstrokes are what separate the two types of surface. Intelligence, no way.

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Only casual fans think fast court playing doesn't require tactical skills. Serve and volley and chip and charge tactics are very clever ones and require anticipation and great placement. Courier game was much less clever for example, turning his backhand time and time again, explain me where is the intellectual superiority of this ? Patience and consistency on groundstrokes are what separate the two types of surface. Intelligence, no way.
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I'm quite intelligent, but I'm crap on clay....
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