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BIG MATCH /finals `kings`(win%): Nadal [79%], Federer [73%]...

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NADAL just doesn`t like to lose finals does he

SINGLES CAREER TITLES (36): 2004--Sopot;
2005--Acapulco, ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Madrid, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Bastad, Beijing, Costa Do Sauipe, Roland Garros, Stuttgart;
2006--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Dubai, Roland Garros;
2007--ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Barcelona, ATP Masters Series Rome, Roland Garros, Stuttgart; 2008--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Barcelona, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Roland Garros, Queens/London, Wimbledon, ATP Masters Series Canada, Beijing Olympics; 2009--Australian Open, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Barcelona, ATP Masters Series Rome


FINALIST (9): 2004--Auckland; 2005--ATP Masters Series Miami; 2006--Wimbledon; 2007--ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Wimbledon, ATP Masters Series Paris; 2008--Chennai; 2008--ATP Masters Series Miami; 2009--Rotterdam, ATP Masters Series Madrid

~~~36 won & 10 lost = 79%




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........Can Nadal maintain such an impressive winning percentage in finals
Is Rafa destined to be the greatest big match player [ever]




FED`s record is pretty good too

SINGLES CAREER TITLES (58): 2001--Milan; 2002--Hamburg TMS, Sydney, Vienna; 2003--Dubai, Halle, Marseille, Munich, Tennis Masters Cup, Vienna, Wimbledon; 2004--Australian Open, Bangkok, Canada AMS, Dubai, Gstaad, Halle, Hamburg AMS, Indian Wells AMS, Tennis Masters Cup, US Open, Wimbledon; 2005--ATP Masters Series Cincinnati, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Miami, Bangkok, Doha, Dubai, Halle, Rotterdam, US Open, Wimbledon; 2006--ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Madrid, ATP Masters Series Miami, Australian Open, Basel, Doha, Halle, Tennis Masters Cup, Tokyo, US Open, Wimbledon; 2007--Australian Open, Dubai, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Wimbledon, ATP Masters Series Cincinatti, US Open, Basel, Tennis Masters Cup; 2008--Estoril, Halle, US Open, Basel; 2009--ATP Masters Series Madrid

FINALIST (22): 2000--Basel, Marseille; 2001--Basel, Rotterdam; 2002--Miami TMS, Milan; 2003--Gstaad, Rome TMS; 2005--Tennis Masters Cup; 2006--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Dubai, Roland Garros; 2007--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Roland Garros, ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Madrid; 2008--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Roland Garros, Wimbledon; 2009--Australian Open


~~58 won & 22 lost = 73%





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FED vs RAFA finals::



2009 ATP Masters Series Madrid
Spain Clay F Federer 6-4 6-4


2009 Australian Open
Australia Hard F Nadal 7-5 3-6 7-6(3) 3-6 6-2

2008 Wimbledon
Great Britain Grass F Nadal 6-4 6-4 6-7(5) 6-7(8) 9-7

2008 Roland Garros
France Clay F Nadal 6-1 6-3 6-0

2008 ATP Masters Series Hamburg
Germany Clay F Nadal 7-5 6-7(3) 6-3

2008 ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo
Monaco Clay F Nadal 7-5 7-5


2007 Wimbledon
Great Britain Grass F Federer 7-6(7) 4-6 7-6(3) 2-6 6-2


2007 Roland Garros
France Clay F Nadal 6-3 4-6 6-3 6-4


2007 ATP Masters Series Hamburg
Germany Clay F Federer 2-6 6-2 6-0


2007 ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo
Monaco Clay F Nadal 6-4 6-4


2006 Wimbledon
England Grass F Federer 6-0 7-6(5) 6-7(2) 6-3


2006 Roland Garros
France Clay F Nadal 1-6 6-1 6-4 7-6(4)

2006 ATP Masters Series Rome
Italy Clay F Nadal 6-7(0) 7-6(5) 6-4 2-6 7-6(5)

2006 ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo
Monaco Clay F Nadal 6-2 6-7(2) 6-3 7-6(5)

2006 Dubai
U.A.E. Hard F Nadal 2-6 6-4 6-4


2005 ATP Masters Series Miami
FL, U.S.A. Hard F Federer 2-6 6-7(4) 7-6(5) 6-3 6-1


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Re: %""$.Can RAFAEL maintain his record~~ best BIG MATCH player [ever]???

Impressive.
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Re: %""$.Can RAFAEL maintain his record~~ best BIG MATCH player [ever]???

Rafa unlike a lot of players has great control over his nerves.

He sees the finish line and goes for it, other people see the finish line and get scared of it, choke and stumble.
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Re: %""$.Can RAFAEL maintain his record~~ best BIG MATCH player [ever]???

What's Federer's?

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Re: *$$*.Can NADAL maintain his record~~> best BIG MATCH player [finals % conversion]#???

Federer is 47-13 in finals, which is also pretty damn impressive.
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Nadal's record is due to small number of finals he played and due to the fact that unlike most of the players he didn't have to pass through period of maturing

Still Federer's success in finals is far more impressive in this moment. CmonAussie must be aware of that himself and his post comes to me as somewhat biased
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Nadal's record is due to small number of finals he played and due to the fact that unlike most of the players he didn't have to pass through period of maturing

Still Federer's success in finals is far more impressive in this moment. CmonAussie must be aware of that himself and his post comes to me as somewhat biased
He didnt pass this perios cause he is damn good. He was winning titles at 18 like he was 25 in the head. That only says what a good player he is.
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Nadal's record is due to small number of finals he played and due to the fact that unlike most of the players he didn't have to pass through period of maturing

Still Federer's success in finals is far more impressive in this moment. CmonAussie must be aware of that himself and his post comes to me as somewhat biased
He is also 3 or 4 years younger.

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The biggest choke I've seen from Rafa is when he really could have led Federer in the Wimbledon final last year. He faltered and Fed took control.

Normally though he keeps up an awesome intensity and it's his opponent who falters.
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I don´t think that Nadal and even Federer are able to mantain their stats (finals % conversions). There are a lot of young guns that are raising their level of play.
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Re: *$$*.Can NADAL maintain his record~~> best BIG MATCH player [finals % conversion]#???

Here's the thread with the best and the worst records in ATP finals among active players.

Winning % in Finals - Active players only, minimum of 5 matches

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The biggest choke I've seen from Rafa is when he really could have led Federer in the Wimbledon final last year. He faltered and Fed took control.
Bigger than Miami 2005, leading 2 sets and a mini break in the third set TB? Unlikely.
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Nadal's record is due to small number of finals he played and due to the fact that unlike most of the players he didn't have to pass through period of maturing

Still Federer's success in finals is far more impressive in this moment. CmonAussie must be aware of that himself and his post comes to me as somewhat biased
21 finals is a small number? Hardly, especially at the age of 20. While I agree Federer's is obviously more impressive, you cannot deny Nadal had played a lot of finals and won them. And because he didn't have to pass through the period of maturing, that's less impressive?

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21 finals is a small number? Hardly, especially at the age of 20. While I agree Federer's is obviously more impressive, you cannot deny Nadal had played a lot of finals and won them. And because he didn't have to pass through the period of maturing, that's less impressive?
Hey hey, slow down
Most of these finals were on clay (and there was quite a few small south-american tournaments there, remember)? Outside of clay he didn't play finals all that often. On clay he didn't loose the match for two years at all (which obviously also includes the finals) so you can't base a case on those stats for Nadal being specifialy strong in finals. WIth Federer it was very different
As for maturing, obviously I wanted to say that he may be one of those players who are the strongest as young and then start declining. So we have to wait and see how good a "big match player" he is
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Hey hey, slow down
Most of these finals were on clay (and there was quite a few small south-american tournaments there, remember)? Outside of clay he didn't play finals all that often. On clay he didn't loose the match for two years at all (which obviously also includes the finals) so you can't base a case on those stats for Nadal being specifialy strong in finals. WIth Federer it was very different
As for maturing, obviously I wanted to say that he may be one of those players who are the strongest as young and then start declining. So we have to wait and see how good a "big match player" he is
What are you talking about? Half of his 18 titles are GS or AMS. A better stat than Hewitt, Roddick, Moyá, Ferrero, Kuerten... (i´m only mentioning active players). And the same proportion that Federer has (if you don´t count the Masters Cup). It´s not that he has been playing minor tournaments and you know that.
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