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Commissioner McEnroe - wants to change the scoring system now!

http://www.artoischampionships.com/1/home/default.asp

According to this, he wants to change the scoring system!

How can you change the scoring system?

Mind you, I guess to outsiders, it is a bit wierd.

Why are we giving '15' for one point? It is a bit daft really.

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Re: Commissioner McEnroe - wants to change the scoring system now!

Its weird to any thinking person.

I was watching a womans match go to a third set tie break and one player had won four more games. no way was that a "tied" match.
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Its weird to any thinking person.

I was watching a womans match go to a third set tie break and one player had won four more games. no way was that a "tied" match.
Actually, I don't mind that part of it too much. I'm happy to accept that sets are separate entities, and even though you can win while have fewer points, it makes the idea of 'big points' all the more exciting.

I just don't see how we can communicate our sport to people outside when we're using words like 'love' and giving 15 for each point.

It's an instant turn-off I reckon.
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Re: Commissioner McEnroe - wants to change the scoring system now!

It's not complicated people easily pick it up once you have explained it. Compared to explaining cricket it's a doddle.

I think it would be change for changes sake and it wouldn't increase interest in the sport.
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Re: Commissioner McEnroe - wants to change the scoring system now!

This is the kind of thing that alienates current fans and doesn't bring in new fans.


Who is going to say "Hey, tennis got rid of saying love!!! Let's flip the channel over to Dick Enberg!!"


Tennis is what it is. I'm not opposed to considering new ideas, but this is not the answer. The ATP should be marketing #s10-40 in the world more aggressively, not doing pointless tinkering like RR and this.
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I'm beginning to think that the problem with the tennis leadership is that they are concerning themselves with changing the game instead of focusing on packaging and marketing what is already a great game. There seems to be some misconception that changing the structure of the game will result in more interest in it. I'm hearing very little from the "know it alls" of tennis about a much needed marketing plan for the sport of tennis. Instead, "Let's try Round Robin, Let's change the scoring system."



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Re: Commissioner McEnroe - wants to change the scoring system now!

Next thing: "let's make the lines red/yellow/brown/purple/orange/green".
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This is the kind of thing that alienates current fans and doesn't bring in new fans.


Who is going to say "Hey, tennis got rid of saying love!!! Let's flip the channel over to Dick Enberg!!"


Tennis is what it is. I'm not opposed to considering new ideas, but this is not the answer. The ATP should be marketing #s10-40 in the world more aggressively, not doing pointless tinkering like RR and this.
But that would actually be a good thing. Why would they want to do it?
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No, next thing: "All PRETTY players must play shirtless"
You mean Baghdatis and Nalbandian?
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Re: Commissioner McEnroe - wants to change the scoring system now!

Whoever mentioned American Football - you might have a big following in the US but don't you think it would be that much bigger if the rest of us could 'get' it?

That's where tennis has a problem.

Why get 15 points when you win one?
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Yeah...I agree that with whoever said "It alienates current fans, and doesn't bring in anyone new." I just can't see anyone saying "Now they count by ones! I suddenly get why tennis rules!"
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^ It's not that you don't "get" it, it's that it's not marketed to you guys at all and your sports market is already saturated with other sports. That has nothing to do with complicated rules. And considering most popular sports are neck-deep in convoluted rules, arbitrary scoring systems, and various other idiosyncracies, to blame a lack of popularity in tennis on its rules seems to be missing the point.
I don't think it has to be seen as negatively as that.

This is about McEnroe's suggestion that an already good game could be improved by changing the scoring system.
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Re: Commissioner McEnroe - wants to change the scoring system now!

Don't personally think it will help - the scoring isn't difficult to follow, if a bit weird at first. Besides, it differentiates set score (games won) and game score (points won) - when you tell someone a score they get immediately where it's at. I find tennis simple in general, only took about half a match for me to get the rules.

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Whoever mentioned American Football - you might have a big following in the US but don't you think it would be that much bigger if the rest of us could 'get' it?

That's where tennis has a problem.
American Football actually has quite a decent following in the UK, and liking it or not liking it has nothing to do with "getting it".

I'm sorry, but there is not a single sport out there that is remotely hard to follow once you've either played, watched, or read about the sport for just a very very short while.

Whether you end up liking the sport or not, is another matter. But it has F all to do with the scoring.

The game of tennis has no problem at all. It is a good sport, enjoyed and played by many. The problem with the sport are other factors besides the rules or structure of the game itself. People wanting to make stupid changes to the game, rather than what goes on around it, are also a major problem for tennis.

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Why get 15 points when you win one?
Why is a shot from mid-court in basketball not 50 pts? Does it really matter? If people want to know why it's 15-love, then they can read up a little on the history of how it all started. It's not difficult.

You can ask many questions of many sports, tennis is no different.
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