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Would Roddick be a top player if he weren't American?

Looking at Andy's level of talent in comparison to other players on the tour, I really believe that Andy would only be a top 20 player if he played anywhere else in the world. Let me explain:

Most pros will tell you that the talent level on the tour is pretty close...except for players like Roger. Confidence is what separates players. Andy, from the time he was young and up and coming, has been lauded as the great American hope. And he has enjoyed the fruits of this via endorsements and the like. Ergo, when one is told they are great, they often invariably believe they are.

Secondly, Andy has the advantage of having the advice of legends of the game like Johnny Mac, Andre, and James Scott Connors.

Third, every year, it seems that Andy, pardon the pun, gets his mojo via the U.S. hard court season. Think about it: the U.S. Open is the last slam of the year, and the entire hard court season (other than a few weeks in January and Feb.) is dominated by tourneys in the U.S. American players invariably almost ALWAYS have the crowd behind them. Foreign players are at a huge homecourt disadvantage. Take last night: Andy wins the first set on a beautiful passing shot, and the crowd reacted as if they were the fans of an NBA franchise that had won a game on a last second shot. Roger Federer being the exception (because he is the Michael Jordan of the men's tour with fans everywhere), most players, including Nadal are forced to not only deal with their opponent, but extra support from the home crowd. Think about it: four Masters series tourneys (all on the same surface) are in the U.S. A huge advantage. Look at Cincinnati last year: Andy ran around the court giving the fans high fives after he won.

I'm not trying to be sour grapes, but it makes you wonder. (Okay, when I hear PMac almost screeching in delight when Andy hits a drop shot, it annoys me to no end). Dmitri T. said that if he had grown up in the U.S., he would have been Andy Roddick. I disagree: he most likely could have been better.

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Re: Would Roddick be a top player if he weren't American?

:retard: He has the fastest serve of all time, and used to have the biggest forehand. His game suits grass and US hardcourts, so he was always going to be a top 10 player with alot of points coming from July on.

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Re: Would Roddick be a top player if he weren't American?

I think you're talking out of your arse

Do you know how many American kids get hyped up the ass and they cant do shit? even with endorsements and the like?

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Re: Would Roddick be a top player if he weren't American?

The American players have the easiest way to reach high level because in US is the most events and what is very important - on every surfaces. Young players have been many occasions to play in big events in qualifications or in the main draw with "wild cards". But on the other hand many American players have been similar conditions to Andy and they aren't so good as he is.

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Do you know how many American kids get hyped up the ass and they cant do shit? even with endorsements and the like?
I'd like to go even further and state that that may well be a part of the problem! Overhyping never does anyone any good...

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Re: Would Roddick be a top player if he weren't American?

Players with from countries with larger federations do have advantages. I don't actually think Wild Cards help that much - I'd rather see a player grind through qualifying because it makes him have to prove his worth and gives him extra match experience. If a player is really that talented he'll make it through qualies anyway.

The real advantage is a financial one. A player from sub-Saharan Africa for example, has very little opportunity to play ITF events unless he travels to Europe, which is expensive. That's a melodramatic example, but the point is that it's not possible for a tennis career to be financially self-sufficient on the ITF Tour. If you don't have your federation behind you, you have to depend on private funds or hope for some sort of other sponsorship. Even players from larger federations often play non-ITF tournaments that offer more cash to fund their career - and that wastes time that they could be spending working up the ladder.

That said, none of this affects someone like Roddick, who has enough talent that some big athletic label would have taken care of him no matter where he was from. If he wasn't American, he'd probably be slightly more popular (unless he was Croatian, I guess... ), although he has proactively done a lot to shoot himself in the foot in that department.
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I'd like to go even further and state that that may well be a part of the problem! Overhyping never does anyone any good...
Exactly. The over-hyping machine hasn't exactly done someone like Donald Young any favors.
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Re: Would Roddick be a top player if he weren't American?

What are you talking about?

Roddick wasn't really hyped that much. Not until he found his serve by mistake and then grew a foot did he every really start winning anything and that was by 17-18. When he was 14-15 he was too small and his serve was too crappy to be considered to be one of the best.
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Re: Would Roddick be a top player if he weren't American?

Good points about the hype involved...and his serve...I'm not saying that he is not talented, but I really believe that because he is from the U.S., his ranking is as high as it is...Take someone like Tursonov: if he got to play in front of a home crowd for a huge part of the tennis season, I can assure you...he would have a HUGE advantage. Credit to Roddick for taking advantage of this...um...advantage...but when the crowd is for you, it can help you elevate your game at the most crucial moments.

Unless you are Ivan Lendl...then you kick butt and take names regardless of who supports you...
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Re: Would Roddick be a top player if he weren't American?

What a stupid thread.
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Re: Would Roddick be a top player if he weren't American?

Maybe if Roddick lived in another country, he would have started playing tennis at a younger age and therefore have become a much better player. If I'm not mistaken Roddick started at a very late age especially in terms of tennis players. Maybe if Roddick lived in a different country, he would have learned to become a better clay court or grass court player. Or maybe it just doesn't matter that much.

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Re: Would Roddick be a top player if he weren't American?

If he still sucks like he's only one of top100 players when it comes to clay (I think duck should prove himself he's a top 3 by playing like he's a top 20 in the world at least on clay), then we have some talk about that. It's a bit too early to discuss.

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Re: Would Roddick be a top player if he weren't American?

Well duh of course being American makes everyone better.

Really he went in an won all those matches over the years because people were like ohhhh he's American we need to get him in the top ten so I should just lose.

That's how Pete and Andre did it too. Booo scary Americans.

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Well duh of course being American makes everyone better.

Really he went in an won all those matches over the year because people were like ohhhh he's American we need to get him in the top ten so I should just lose.
Of course. If it happened any other way it would just be illogical.
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Re: Would Roddick be a top player if he weren't American?

this is a really really stupid thread... who cares where he would be from, its not like he is entering with WC everywhere or gets an extra dvantage from being America, he might of taken a bit longer to break into tour but he still has the serve and a good forehand, that dominates on the court regardless of nationality...

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