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*``*.The MYSTERY missing TOUR of AUS ~1985-->1986~~[how did 6-tourneys vanish 1yr??]#


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What I want to know is how the Australian Circuit suffered a major decline in the space of 12-months from 1985--to--1986

##.I checked out the history vault files on the atp tour website & discovered that there were 8-tourneys in Australasia [incl NZ] in 1985..& then there was only 2-tourneys in 1986

What the hell happened there???

Of course I know that the AO was not played in 1986 due to Tennis Australia changing the dates, but how did we lose all the other tournaments as well???... Some of the tourneys came back after a the 1986 abscence but some of them never came back in any shape or form again

Was there a major downturn in the AUS economy from 1985 to 1986

How did we lose all those other tourneys?


1985:~~[8]
Auckland
Brisbane
Melbourne Indoor
Sydney Indoor
Sydney Outdoor
Australian Open
Adelaide
Melbourne Outdoor

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1986:~~[2]
Auckland
Sydney Indoor

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2007:~~[4]
Adelaide
Sydney
Auckland
Australian Open

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Not enough spectators???

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Not enough spectators???

Well Pat Cash was our only top player at the time~>> so maybe they decided to cancel most of the events to avoid seeing the checkered headband tantrum machine
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so maybe they decided to cancel most of the events to avoid seeing the checkered headband tantrum machine
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In 1985 the last couple of months on the ATP tour was primarily played in Australia [October->December]:*@@*...

**Another interesting fact is that of those Aussie Tourneys~ 3 were indoor & 4 were on grass#^^#!! Of course today there are no more Aussie Tourneys indoor nor on grass!!
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10/7/1985 Brisbane
Australia
Grand Prix Indoor
Carpet Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Annacone, Paul
Davis, Martin /
Drewett, Brad
10/7/1985 Toulouse
France
Grand Prix Indoor
Hard Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Noah, Yannick
Acuna, Ricardo /
Hlasek, Jakob

10/14/1985 Basel
Switzerland
Grand Prix Indoor
Hard Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Edberg, Stefan
Gullikson, Tim /
Gullikson, Tom

10/14/1985 Tokyo Outdoor
Japan
Grand Prix Outdoor
Hard Sgl 64
Dbl 32 Davis, Scott
Davis, Scott /
Pate, David

10/14/1985 Tel Aviv
Israel
Grand Prix Outdoor
Hard Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Gilbert, Brad
Gilbert, Brad /
Nastase, Ilie

10/14/1985 Sydney Indoor
Australia
Grand Prix Indoor
Hard Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Lendl, Ivan
Fitzgerald, John /
Jarryd, Anders


10/21/1985 Tokyo Indoor
Japan
Grand Prix Indoor
Carpet Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Lendl, Ivan
Flach, Ken /
Seguso, Robert

10/21/1985 Melbourne Indoor
Australia
Grand Prix Indoor
Carpet Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Davis, Martin
Drewett, Brad /
Mitchell, Matt


10/21/1985 Cologne
Germany
Grand Prix Indoor
Hard Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Lundgren, Peter
Antonitsch, Alex /
Schapers, Michiel

11/4/1985 Stockholm
Sweden
Grand Prix Indoor
Hard $300,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 McEnroe, John
Forget, Guy /
Gomez, Andres

11/11/1985 Wembley
England
Grand Prix Indoor
Carpet Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Lendl, Ivan
Forget, Guy /
Jarryd, Anders

11/18/1985 Hong Kong
Hong Kong
Grand Prix Outdoor
Hard Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Gomez, Andres
Drewett, Brad /
Warwick, Kim

11/18/1985 Vienna
Austria
Grand Prix Indoor
Hard Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Gunnarsson, Jan
De Palmer, Mike /
Donnelly, Gary

11/25/1985 Australian Open
Australia
Grand Slam Outdoor
Grass $795,161 Sgl 96
Dbl 48 Edberg, Stefan
Annacone, Paul /
Van Rensburg, Christo


12/9/1985 Sydney Outdoor
Australia
Grand Prix Outdoor
Grass Sgl 56
Dbl 28 Leconte, Henri
Dowlen, David /
Odizor, Nduka


12/16/1985 Adelaide
Australia
Grand Prix Outdoor
Grass Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Edwards, Eddie
Edmondson, Mark /
Warwick, Kim


12/23/1985 Melbourne
Australia
Grand Prix Outdoor
Grass Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Canter, Jonathan
Cahill, Darren /
Carter, Peter
1/14/1986 Masters
NY, U.S.A.
Year-End Championship Indoor
Carpet $500,000 Sgl 16
Dbl 8 Lendl, Ivan
Edberg, Stefan /
Jarryd, Anders
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Re: *``*.The MYSTERY missing TOUR of AUS ~1985-->1986~~[how did 6-tourneys vanish 1yr??]#

It looks like it was just a regular sort of decline in interest in the sport in Aussie. There are plenty of US stops that have vanished like Philly Indoors, etc.


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11/25/1985 Australian Open
Australia
Grand Slam Outdoor
Grass $795,161 Sgl 96
Dbl 48 Edberg, Stefan
Annacone, Paul /
Van Rensburg, Christo

You mean to tell me that the draw for the AO in singles was only 96 instead of 128???
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You mean to tell me that the draw for the AO in singles was only 96 instead of 128???
AO had a smaller draw than the other three slams for ages. At one point it had 64 I think.
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When Rod Laver won it in 1969, it had a draw of 48.
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You mean to tell me that the draw for the AO in singles was only 96 instead of 128???
Not only that, but the draws were quite strange - like some lucky losers and qualifiers getting byes in the first round.
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No wonder the AO's status as a slam came into question in its previous incarnation.

So from 1987 onwards did they have the regular 128 player draw?
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The draw size has been 128 since 1988. Since the switch from grass to rebound ace in that same year, the Australian Open has been on a par with the other 3 grand slams. I'm not sure about before that though. From 1983-1987 the fields were pretty strong, so I would say that 1983 was the year that the Australian Open became a big deal again.
In the open era, from 1969-73 there were 48 participants, 1974-82 64 participants, 1983-87 96 participants and 1988-today 128 participants

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No wonder the AO's status as a slam came into question in its previous incarnation.

So from 1987 onwards did they have the regular 128 player draw?
1988 was the first year with the 128 draw. That's the 1987 draw - http://www.itftennis.com/mens/tourna...0004419&event=

Seems strange to see some qualifiers getting byes while people who got in on ranking didn't.
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Oceania is a difficult place to get to (long trips, shocking time zone difference), makes sense to limit the Australian tour to four weeks.

Some non-summer challenger events in Australia usually get a very poor field.

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It looks like it was just a regular sort of decline in interest in the sport in Aussie. There are plenty of US stops that have vanished like Philly Indoors, etc.

To lose all those tournaments within the space of 12-months I think there was more than a decline of interest to blame

Maybe tobacco sponsorship [Marlboro] being banned in AUS had something to do with it

The irony is that AUS won the Davis Cup in 1986 [the same year we lost all those tourneys]

Also Pat Cash`s career was just peaking [AO final 1987/88, Wimby 87]


#@@#.The thing that saddens me is that we don`t have any indoor tourneys left in AUS anymore [at one stage in the mid 1980s we had 3!!].. Also Sydney Indoor was on the verge of being awarded TMS/ Super 9 event status [long history of superstars won it~ McEnroe, Connors, Becker, Edberg, Lendl], but once that fell through the tourney collapsed altogether
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