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Joint Men and Women tournements-Why arent there more?

With all the talk of trying to promote the ATP it seems to me the WTA/ATP might be the easiest way to grow mens tennis.

The WTA might have a larger fan base.
Many prefer womens tennis over mens.
The media exposure would be twice as much.
Cost of producing the tournament be actually less when taking into account more revenue.
Sex sells-like it or not Sharapova generates coverage. So do the Williams sisters.
Losing big names doesnt have as big an impact when there are more big names in the other genders half.

I dont get why the ATP/WTA seem to avoid each other so much




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Re: Joint Men and Women tournements-Why arent there more?

There are too many combined events at the moment and they are going to be more.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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There are too many combined events at the moment and they are going to be more.
Too many? the slams, IW, Miami I cant think of any others. What six tournaments out of how many.

Drop the smaller tournaments and make BIG splashy tournaments.
Why not make the year end tournaments Joint?
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Too many? the slams, IW, Miami I cant think of any others. What six tournaments out of how many.

Drop the smaller tournaments and make BIG splashy tournaments.
Why not make the year end tournaments Joint?
Sydney is joint, Brisbane-Gold Coast (2009) will be joint, as will some others. It's still too many.

The Slams fair enough as combined events, but that's enough.

Most of thw WTA fans are just fanboys/fangirls and a smaller percentage actually watch it for the tennis in comparison to the ATP and the ATP has more than enough fanboys/girls of its own.

Why increase the time for people that have to watch the men play training sets when it will be a better standard than the average WTA match. Or more time at the bar and also the food places will be packed when the women are on.

The Germans and Italians have it right when they play their womens events.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Too many? the slams, IW, Miami I cant think of any others. What six tournaments out of how many.
Sydney, Memphis, Acapulco, Rosmalen, Moscow, Tokyo...
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Sydney, Memphis, Acapulco, Rosmalen, Moscow, Tokyo...
Estoril too..

Joint tournaments are good for ATP players dating WTA players. But for me it's boring women's matches that fuck up the OOP

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Maybe there are not enough places with enough courts to support both tournaments?
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Sydney is joint, Brisbane-Gold Coast (2009) will be joint, as will some others. It's still too many.

The Slams fair enough as combined events, but that's enough.

Most of thw WTA fans are just fanboys/fangirls and a smaller percentage actually watch it for the tennis in comparison to the ATP and the ATP has more than enough fanboys/girls of its own.

Why increase the time for people that have to watch the men play training sets when it will be a better standard than the average WTA match. Or more time at the bar and also the food places will be packed when the women are on.

The Germans and Italians have it right when they play their womens events.
I'd attack you if this was wtaworld forum debate.
but for now, i'll be polite.

the slams are difficult times for women's tour followers.
two no-name players with ball bashing average tennis playing five-setters, going on and on without even as dealing with injuries to at least add some fiestiness to it, and without the drama of the much out-spoken women we learned to love. it's awful.
on the atp circuit side - there they go holding to love, serving aces down the T all day long. the match is usually no more than 2 breaks, and even though you guys chatter along how great this or that serves, generally speaking the men's game is alove only thanks to second serves that can be attackes. thank god at least pim pim and karlovic are flat out ace servers that aren't hiding behind rally skills cliche's.

i agree most fans of the wta tour are fan boys and girls. that's also because there are more players to actually like. most top50 men players are carbon copies of dull tennis. the women's tour is still sloppy enough to allow different kinds of tennis - generally speaking, i find the 50-100 ranked women of far more interest than the men's lower ranked players.

now, saying the wta has plenty of outragously boring, not to mention stupid fans, is an understatment.
however, just post a thread reading "Gasquet will win more grand slams than Safin because he has a better backhand" and watch MTF go mental with non relevant threads concerning the sexy smiles of the russian giant VS the flamboyant ways of the frenchman. there are more than enough idiots following tennis, men or women.
i'd love to have a "must know who Edberg and Novotna were" sign at the entrance of a tourny-site gate. but the reality is that those poor sould are the ones letting us have the benifits of tennis popularity. these slobs watch tennis, and for me, i don't mind watching Ivanovic 20 times a year, as long as i get one Vinci match against Sugiyama, and seeing a 16 year old prodigy play live from Moscow against a much older and experienced...well - 18 year old.

i don't want joint events as well - but please, you cannot claim we have the worst fans. they just about fall the same in both sides.

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Wta needs to be broadcasted by itself because the mens game is "too fast" to follow. People who watch it for fun will prefer womens tennis and it would make broadcasting so difficult if there were more joined events

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Estoril too..

Joint tournaments are good for ATP players dating WTA players. But for me it's boring women's matches that fuck up the OOP
Exactly how I feel. It's fine for the slams, but I'm already annoyed more often than not because there's an interesting men's match going on that I don't get to see because Sharapova is beating some random girl 6-1 6-2. And I suppose a lot of WTA fans feel the same the other way around.
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[QUOTE=shonami slam;5009929]I'd attack you if this was wtaworld forum debate.
but for now, i'll be polite.

the slams are difficult times for women's tour followers.
two no-name players with ball bashing average tennis playing five-setters, going on and on without even as dealing with injuries to at least add some fiestiness to it, and without the drama of the much out-spoken women we learned to love. it's awful.
on the atp circuit side - there they go holding to love, serving aces down the T all day long. the match is usually no more than 2 breaks, and even though you guys chatter along how great this or that serves, generally speaking the men's game is alove only thanks to second serves that can be attackes. thank god at least pim pim and karlovic are flat out ace servers that aren't hiding behind rally skills cliche's.


I don't really understand what you are saying. But I'll take it that you are not a fan of the ATP tour.
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Sydney, Memphis, Acapulco, Rosmalen, Moscow, Tokyo...
forgot about sydney, but the others arent very big tournaments
and sydney is a warm up for AO
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i'm just moaning around, jumping to the defence of the wtatour.

i follow the atp generally. like evryone, i value federer highly in the history books, santoro makes me laugh, safin makes me cry, hate RR, cherish memories of doubles yesterdecade, and cannot understand how roddick still manages so well while doing nothing but serve.

i'm only in it for the hoy guys, really.
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becoz then the tend to sleep around too much?
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