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(:>Who are the Top-5 Greatest pure COUNTER PUNCHERS of the Open Era??***


So who are the greatest pure counterpunchers of all time

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My vote goes to:

1. Jimmy Connors
2. Mats Wilander
3. Lleyton Hewitt
4. Rafael Nadal
5. Michael Chang

[Obviously Hewitt & Nadal still have time to improve on their records ]..


BTW,~i don`t consider Borg to be a pure counter puncher, since he was able to dictate play most of the time, what do you guys/gals think




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Mats Wilander: 33 (Roland Garros, Bastad, Geneva, Barcelona 82; Monte Carlo, Lisbon, Aix-en-Provence, Bastad, Cincinnati, Geneva, Barcelona, Stockholm, Australian Open 83; Cincinnati, Barcelona, Australian Open 84; Roland Garros, Boston, Bastad 85; Brussels, Cincinnati 86; Brussels, Monte Carlo, Rome, Boston, Indianapolis 87; Australian Open, Key Biscayne, Roland Garros, Cincinnati, US Open, Palermo 88; Itaparica 90)


Lleyton Hewitt: 26 (Adelaide 98; Delray Beach 99; Adelaide, Sydney, Scottsdale, Queens 00; Sydney, Queens, 's-Hertogenbosch, US Open, Tokyo, Tennis Masters Cup 01; San Jose, TMS Indian Wells, Queens, Wimbledon, Tennis Masters Cup 02; Scottsdale, TMS Indian Wells 03; Sydney, Rotterdam, Washington, Long Island 04; Sydney 05; Queens 06; Las Vegas 07)


Rafael Nadal: 17 (Sopot 04; Costa do Sauipe, Acapulco, TMS Monte Carlo, Barcelona, TMS Rome, Roland Garros, Bastad, Stuttgart, TMS Montreal, Beijing, TMS Madrid 05; Dubai, TMS Monte Carlo, Barcelona, TMS Rome, Roland Garros 06)


Michael Chang: 34 (San Francisco 88; Roland Garros, Wembley 89; Toronto 90; Birmingham 91; San Francisco, Indian Wells, Key Biscayne 92; Jakarta, Osaka, Cincinnati, Kuala Lumpur, Beijing 93; Jakarta, Philadelphia, Hong Kong, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Beijing 94; Hong Kong, Atlanta, Tokyo Indoor, Beijing 95; Indian Wells, Washington, L.A. 96; Memphis, Indian Wells, Hong Kong, Orlando, Washington 97; Boston, Shanghai 98; L.A. 00)
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Re: (:>Who are the Top-5 GREATEST pure Counter Punchers of the Open Era??***

Just an excuse to talk about Hewitt again.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Just an excuse to talk about Hewitt again.


George,~if you`re going to take the time to respond to my thread why don`t you atleast give an opinion???
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So if you don`t mind Sir
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Who are the greatest pure counter punchers of the Open Era


PS. I thought you would be happy with this thread since I put your man Wilander at #2 on the all-time list
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George,~if you`re going to take the time to respond to my thread why don`t you atleast give an opinion???
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So if you don`t mind Sir
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Who are the greatest pure counter punchers of the Open Era


PS. I thought you would be happy with this thread since I put your man Wilander at #2 on the all-time list
Everything you post is somehow related to Hewitt, hence the comment. Actually Borg was a mixture of both, so he'd be at 1 and while Connors won more titles, Wilander won more Slams on differing surfaces.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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^^>> & COME ON, AUSSIE. ~!!!!**><


I am your fan, but you are teetering on the brink now. Hewitt is a great player, yes we know and we agree. This is becoming a thread a day!
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^^>> & COME ON, AUSSIE. ~!!!!**><


I am your fan, but you are teetering on the brink now. Hewitt is a great player, yes we know and we agree. This is becoming a thread a day!


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Everything you post is somehow related to Hewitt, hence the comment. Actually Borg was a mixture of both, so he'd be at 1 and while Connors won more titles, Wilander won more Slams on differing surfaces.

Exactly what I was trying to say ~that Borg`s a "mixture of both", therefore by definition he can`t be a `pure counter puncher`!!!

That`s why I put Connors at #1..

Do you agree with the other guys on my list
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Would Kolya be classified as a counter puncher? I'm not sure...

Just a question.

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its unbelievable that connors won more than 100 titiles

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Would Kolya be classified as a counter puncher? I'm not sure...

Just a question.
No, he wouldn't be. Look at the way he times the ball when he is playing well, that's not counterpunching.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Kafelnikov definitely should be higher than Chang imo.
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Exactly what I was trying to say ~that Borg`s a "mixture of both", therefore by definition he can`t be a `pure counter puncher`!!!

That`s why I put Connors at #1..

Do you agree with the other guys on my list
I'd actually have Wilander higher than Connors, but he developed a lot more variation in his game than Connors could ever dream of, but Jimbo had other strengths.

There are too many grey areas in the term counterpuncher, at least you are not calling Canas a journeyman this time around.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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No, he wouldn't be. Look at the way he times the ball when he is playing well, that's not counterpunching.
Interesting, I actually disagree. I would certainly say that Kolya is a counterpuncher. Of course he controls some rallies, there isn't any player who doesn't. The one thing that sticks out about Kolya are those points where he is pushed around and then strikes a winner out of nowhere. I agree that he is less of a counterpuncher than some on cmonaussie's list.

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Agassi, maybe..? But what the hell is Chang doing on that list!?
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There can be no such thing as pure counter punchers at this level.

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