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So... How Was It That Nadal Was Able To Win 2 Hardcourt TMS Events In 2005??

Explain to me how despite the fact that Nadal can be at times vulnerable on hardcourts, yet in 2005, at the age of 18, he won a TMS event in Montreal and one also in Madrid??

I mean, Where were Blake, Berdych, Federer, Youzhny and Roddick etc. when all of this was going on? Especially Montreal because that year he was defeated in the 3rd round of the U.S. Open yet he was capable of winning the Rogers Cup?

So in 2005 when he was winning these TMS hardcourt events was it because of a weakened field of players or was Nadal playing with less fear then? Or were the other players just unadjusted to his style and uncertain about how to approach him? Or all of the above?

Who actually watched these tournaments?

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So in 2005 when he was winning these TMS hardcourt events was it because of a weakened field of players ?
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Two weak fields, playing Ivan 'the choker' Ljubicic in one final and old man Agassi in the other.
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Two weak fields, playing Ivan 'the choker' Ljubicic in one final and old man Agassi in the other.
How is it that so many top ranked high quality players managed to be sick or injured when both of these two TMS events were on?

Federer didn't play either one did he that year? What of the other players I mentioned that usually pose problems for Nadal like Blake, Berdych and Youhzny and even Roddick... where were they?
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How is it that so many top ranked high quality players managed to be sick or injured when both of these two TMS events were on?

Federer didn't play either one did he that year? What of the other players I mentioned that usually pose problems for Nadal like Blake, Berdych and Youhzny and even Roddick... where were they?
Because Toronto the first TMS back, alot of the players either missed it as they were playing the US open series of tournaments and needed a rest so they could play cincinatti as toronto and cincinatti are back to back, and some players were injured or wanted more rest after wimbledon. The end of 2005 was pretty bad for withdrawals and most players didn't bother turning up for the last two TMS hence weak fields and nadal and berdych winning the tourneys.

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A few things:

1.) Nadal was on the rise- everything was still new to him and he was happy-go-lucky with no expectations to do well and win on all surfaces certainly not away from the clay.

2.) His gamestyle was still taking people by surprise, players were at that stage adapting and getting used to playing him.

3.) As was mentioned in the two TMS he won he didn't face players who were bad match ups for him. Here is how his run to both titles looked:

Montreal:
R64: Carlos Moya
R32: Ricardo Mello
R16: Sebastien Grosjean
QF: Mariano Puerta
SF: Paul-Henri Mathieu
F: Andre Agassi

Madrid:
R64: BYE
R32: Victor Hanescu
R16: Tommy Robredo
QF: Radek Stepanek
SF: Robby Ginepri
F: Ivan Ljubicic
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Re: So... How Was It That Nadal Was Able To Win 2 Hardcourt TMS Events In 2005??

Maybe stopped playing with his blood after Wimbledon 06 when Dr Fuentes got caught...

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This is getting absurd. I am not a Nadal-fan and I hardly post in threads concerning him, but using his current form to take away his achievements from 2005 is bizarre. You can only win against the players the draw puts up against you. If other players avoided those tournaments for whatever reasons, it is not his fault. He won two Masters on hardcourt in 2005 fair and square.

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This is getting absurd. I am not a Nadal-fan and I hardly post in threads concerning him, but using his current form to take away his achievements from 2005 is bizarre. You can only win against the players the draw puts up against you. If other players avoided those tournaments for whatever reasons, it is not his fault. He won two Masters on hardcourt in 2005 fair and square.
No one is taking his achievements away, a question was asked on how he managed to win two TMS hardcourt tourneys in 2005 and everyone is giving their opinion of it.
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No one is taking his achievements away, a question was asked on how he managed to win two TMS hardcourt tourneys in 2005 and everyone is giving their opinion of it.
Then I interpreted the question wrongly, for me it had a derogatory tone in it, thus my answer.

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Then I interpreted the question wrongly, for me it had a derogatory tone in it, thus my answer.
Of course it did. You interpreted it 100% correctly.
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That was before the hawk eye system.

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sorry but i dont believe in the 'players figured him out' theory. If players figured him out federer would have done that ages ago and when ur on the court its not the same. U might know what to do tactically against him but how many times have players failed to do that? At his age, im sure its just confidence. The thing is hes facing tougher draws which he got away with sometimes back in 05 and it seems like hes only slipping but its barely been 8 months since the wimbledon final! He can go on lke this even for another year and still come back to # 2 or 1

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Because his heavy top spin is strongest ever.
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