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The truth about the Federer/ Nadal record

I guess you can tell from my board name that Roger's my guy, but I just want to ask one thing.... how much value does their head to head record actually have? I mean, if Rog's #1, and Rafa's #2, but when they enter the same tournament (non-clay and with Wimbledon 2006 the exception), Roger gets to the final every time and Rafa doesn't, it can't mean much.
If Nadal lived up to his ranking, the way Roger does, I think they'd have more than evened the score by now! And I really wish the commentators would notice that instead of bringing up the stupid head to head every time.

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lika Dubai last year?? I don't see the point of this thread...
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No doubt would Nadal reach more final stage would the hh be more even...
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Heya ranz, you're a Trini guy?

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how much value does their head to head record actually have? I mean, if Rog's #1, and Rafa's #2, but when they enter the same tournament (non-clay and with Wimbledon 2006 the exception), Roger gets to the final every time and Rafa doesn't, it can't mean much.
Roger/Rafa is the perfect example of how misinterpreting a h2h can be. A h2h just says something about the matchup between players and there are several examples of players who have a negative h2h against someone you would never expect it.

I would even dare to say that the h2h between Roger and Rafa has done Roger more favour as the other way round. His matches against Rafa have uncovered his weaknesses and just have a look at how his backhand has improved during the last months.

It's useless to speculate how the h2h between them would look like if they have meet more times on other surfaces than clay. There have been so many tournaments were everyone was waiting for a match between them, but other players prevented it.
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Nope...I'm not a trini guy, I'm an island girl, a true Carnival baby... as David Rudder would say, 'trini to de bone!
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the way Nadal played in 05/06 there was a reason Nadal beat Federer more, but since last summer he has been playing average at best, not even top 10 really, i don't know whats been up with him. If they played now, Federer would beat him fairly easily, i would assume.

And they bring up the H2H b/c what else are you going to talk about with Federer, he destroys everybody he plays.
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H2H don't mean a whole lot when all is said and done.
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Nadal is good enought to win a match now and then against Federer on hardcourt but most of the time Federer will win on hardcourt or grass.

The same goes for clay where Nadal most often will win but Federer is good enought o beat Nadal but just hasnt been fortunate (or simply weakminded) in the matches against Nadal on clay.

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here goes the viscous circle....Another broad, pointless discussion that will only increase tardism

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Roger/Rafa is the perfect example of how misinterpreting a h2h can be. A h2h just says something about the matchup between players and there are several examples of players who have a negative h2h against someone you would never expect it.

I would even dare to say that the h2h between Roger and Rafa has done Roger more favour as the other way round. His matches against Rafa have uncovered his weaknesses and just have a look at how his backhand has improved during the last months.
It's useless to speculate how the h2h between them would look like if they have meet more times on other surfaces than clay. There have been so many tournaments were everyone was waiting for a match between them, but other players prevented it.
Absolutely right! In that regard Rafa forced Roger to work even more on his game. Had Rafa not been around I wonder if we would be seeing such an improved backhand from Roger.
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H2H will tell you a heck of a lot of things if you know how to read into it. While the big numbers that tell you "Rafa is leading" may be misleading, the stats behind the numbers will pretty much sum up what anyone's rivalry will be like. Dates, scores, surfaces, etc.

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oh, they'll meet again for sure... probably in the qtrs or semis in an event sometime this year... once rafa's ranking dips
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Why are you so convinced his ranking will drop, he has more points this year outside of the clay season than he did last year.
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Re: The truth about the Federer/ Nadal record

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Roger/Rafa is the perfect example of how misinterpreting a h2h can be. A h2h just says something about the matchup between players and there are several examples of players who have a negative h2h against someone you would never expect it.

I would even dare to say that the h2h between Roger and Rafa has done Roger more favour as the other way round. His matches against Rafa have uncovered his weaknesses and just have a look at how his backhand has improved during the last months.

It's useless to speculate how the h2h between them would look like if they have meet more times on other surfaces than clay. There have been so many tournaments were everyone was waiting for a match between them, but other players prevented it.
No it isn't. Nadal is clearly better than Federer and if he wasn't tired and choked the match away today, he would have beaten Fed in the finals.

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Tipsarevic def. Roddick 6-7, 7-5, 6-4, 7-6
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