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De Villiers:Suspensions for top players who withdraw from 2009/Madrid event before RG

I wonder how long players would get suspended? Say someone pulled out of a big event before a Grand Slam, would the suspension cover the Grand Slam?

Also, looks like Madrid is getting a joint ATP/WTA event before RG, especially if Tiriac is backing them

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...259899/1/.html

Tennis: ATP boss imposes strict pull-out sanctions for 2009
Posted: 22 February 2007 0033 hrs

ROTTERDAM, The Netherlands : New strict sanctions for withdrawals from ATP events are set to be imposed in 2009 when players in top eight elite events will be fined and suspended if they do not show up, the ATP Tour said on Wednesday.

ATP chairman Etienne de Villiers announced a major renovation of the men's game including 1,000 ranking points for each winner of an elite event.

"We had 384 withdrawals last year," said de Villiers, who formerly ran the Disney operation in Europe. "On the basis of 2,000 players jobs, that's a fifth.

"It's like going to a U2 concert and one of the band members doesn't bother to show up. That's the kind of thinking we have to impress upon the players."

This week's Rotterdam event is a perfect example of the chronic problem, with pullouts through injury and other reasons from the likes of Tim Henman, Marcos Baghdatis, Mario Ancic and - the day before his opening match - Lleyton Hewitt.

"This is a complicated issue," said the ATP boss. "Our sport is incredibly demanding physically. I would say that most injury pullouts are legitimate.

"But we are now offering them as a (no-penalty) option. We want to close that door."

"There are no options for these events, it's eight of eight for the players. If you (a top player) don't show up, you will be fined and suspended.

"We have to put some teeth into this - and you can guess how popular I am with the players right now."

De Villiers said that the organisation hopes to end the tournament entry cutoff three instead of the current six weeks before the start of an event to help players plan their schedules better.

And in an attempt to lower player fatigue, best-of-five set finals will be scrapped.

And on the new system of allocating ranking points, de Villiers added: "We will probably call them "1,000 pointers," because that's what they will be worth to players."

The doubling of ranking points - de Villiers hopes the four Grand Slam will obligingly lift their own awards from 1,000 to 2,000 point to maintain separation - is the carrot part of an equation designed to address the plague of mounting player pullouts.

De Villiers said that plans are to stage a combined men's and women's event in Europe before Roland Garros - Madrid with super impresario Ion Tiriac are said to have the inside edge - and also one in China in the autumn.

In addition, the season-ending championships - to be re-named from the Tennis Masters Cup - will return to Europe.

"This makes since, China has a huge potential in almost everything and our sport has resonated in the country through the Masters Cup (currently staged in Shanghai in November)," said South African de Villiers. "It also makes sense to end the tennis season in Europe."

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ATP doesn't have power over the slams. Say Roger and Rafa play MC and ROME finals then decide to skip Hamburg. ATP can't prevent them from playing in RG, so a ban would only prevent Roger/Rafa from playing ATP matches (not slams).

So basically Roger would just play RG, then practice on grass aftwards, and play Wimbledon. Then he'll take the ban.... (which happens to coincide with his vacation).
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ATP doesn't have power over the slams. Say Roger and Rafa play MC and ROME finals then decide to skip Hamburg. ATP can't prevent them from playing in RG, so a ban would only prevent Roger/Rafa from playing ATP matches (not slams).

So basically Roger would just play RG, then practice on grass aftwards, and play Wimbledon. Then he'll take the ban.... (which happens to coincide with his vacation).
Probably not the best example, since it seems pretty clear at this point that MC, Rome, and Hamburg won't all exist in 2009

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Re: De Villiers:Suspensions for top players who withdraw from 2009/Madrid event before RG

So, and when does Mr. Disney start working on the REAL problem that causes the players to become injured and/or fatigued in the first place, namely the back-to-back scheduling of many tournaments?

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The BBC report states that Mr Disney wishes to create four categories of tournament, slams, masters, 10 lesser and "others", and apparently "top players" won't be allowed to play in the "others."

In practise, it means that any player from a small country would be prevented from playing in a home event which is hardly fair on the country that raised them. Why shouldn't Ancic and Ljubicic play in Croatia? Basically,unless Croatia has one of the ten "others" then they won't be allowed to play.

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The BBC report states that Mr Disney wishes to create four categories of tournament, slams, masters, 10 lesser and "others", and apparently "top players" won't be allowed to play in the "others."

In practise, it means that any player from a small country would be prevented from playing in a home event which is hardly fair on the country that raised them. Why shouldn't Ancic and Ljubicic play in Croatia? Basically,unless Croatia has one of the ten "others" then they won't be allowed to play.

Crazy.
That whole thing is still very unclear to me, I don't have a good grasp on it at all, so unless someone has some more details besides what all these articles are saying, it seems fair to reserve judgment until finding out more of the details....

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I'm feeling a bit 'slow' today.

What is it that's going to happen in madrid in 2009?

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The BBC report states that Mr Disney wishes to create four categories of tournament, slams, masters, 10 lesser and "others", and apparently "top players" won't be allowed to play in the "others."

In practise, it means that any player from a small country would be prevented from playing in a home event which is hardly fair on the country that raised them. Why shouldn't Ancic and Ljubicic play in Croatia? Basically,unless Croatia has one of the ten "others" then they won't be allowed to play.

Crazy.

ATP doesn't have enough power to do this to the big stars. Example, Federer could just tell ATP to f-off, play the 4 slams, and any other tournament that doesn't bend over for the ATP. The stars could simply start another tour to crush the ATP.
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Re: De Villiers:Suspensions for top players who withdraw from 2009/Madrid event before RG

I agree with cracking down on players withdrawing from tournaments - it's killing the sport.

But I don't like the "other" category - small tournaments are also important for the sport. Whether de Villiers knows it or not.
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it's a good idea not having to put up with invalid withdrawal excuses, but i don't know how well they can implement it... as long as someone complains there's pain somewhere, no doctor can trivialise that and not issue a sick certificate. it's not like the old atp hadn't thought of that when they made the 'compulsory' events in the first place. de villiers is good at doing the talk, that's for sure.

as for three weeks' entry cutoff, well, don't know if the tournaments like that for doing their promotions.

and as usual, de villiers has announced some plan (1000 points) without discussing with relevant people (this time, the slams). is he addicted to making big announcements, for the sake of it? i'm seeing a trend here lol
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If Madrid gets a clay AMS, what's going to happen to their indoor tournament?

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"We had 384 withdrawals last year," said de Villiers, who formerly ran the Disney operation in Europe. "On the basis of 2,000 players jobs, that's a fifth.

"It's like going to a U2 concert and one of the band members doesn't bother to show up. That's the kind of thinking we have to impress upon the players."
Hmm... U2 has four members. One fifth of U2 would be 80% of one of the members. Nice try Etienne, but leave the mathematical metaphors to the people who can actually do math.

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this is retarded, so instaed of not showing for a tournament the player just goes to lose in 1st round? and enough with giving more points to these tournaments, it only keeps the robredo's of the top 10, in longer, when they win these tournaments with no top player in site...

retarded idea, look at the cause of the withdrawls, the stupid scheduling ...

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I'm probably gonna get my ass kicked for this, but I from what I read now this isn't all that bad. Finally the ATP is doing something about the schedule and although a lot of tournament directors won't be happy with these changes I do think it's for the best of the game.

From what I understand elite players MUST play 12 tournaments plus any additonal tournaments from the 10 remaining tournaments they can play. So now they can choose a max of 22 tournaments. This means more head-to-head battles between the top players, cause they can't avoid each other by playing different tournaments. Excellent!

And because there are only 10 optionals available, these tournaments will mostly likely feature a very strong field. I just hope they'll find a good distribution for these 10 tournaments. Most likely these will be the International Series Gold events we have nowadays, so that'll be:

Rotterdam
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Vienna

Some of these events are in the same week, so they'll have to be moved or be replaced by other tournaments. Stuttgart and Kitzbühel are problem tournaments cause in the current schedule they are played on a dead surface (meaning they don't lead up to a AMS or GS). And of course Memphis/Rotterdam and Dubai/Acapulco have to be seperated (Acapulco should be moved to after Miami, but before Monte Carlo).

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Re: De Villiers:Suspensions for top players who withdraw from 2009/Madrid event before RG

There really aren't enough details out there to form a proper opinion on the proposals - it's all rumour and half-stories.

I want to see the concrete agreed proposals before I really go to town on it. There's no point getting wound up about half a plan.
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