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Nadal Forehand!!!in Detail

a two-time champion at Roland Garros, has already etched his name near the top of the list of the best clay-court players the game has ever seen. But thanks to his monster forehand, he’s a contender on all other surfaces as well. Here’s how he generates so much power and spin with it.



1. Nadal’s preparation for his forehand is outstanding. Here you can see that he’s loaded and ready to go. His racquet is back, his shoulders are fully turned, his back is pretty straight— which I really like—and his legs are low and spaced well, giving him a wide base from which to hit. He’s using a full Western grip, which is great for generating topspin.

2. Nadal’s racquet is in virtually the same place as in the first frame, but he’s still adjusting his feet, leading me to think he may have gotten a bad bounce. Normally, I like to see continuous momentum with the racquet throughout the swing. Here it looks as if he might have checked his swing slightly. Even so, he’s doing a good job of getting his back leg almost behind the ball.




3. His base is set and his left leg is planted. The racquet head is starting to drop and you can see that the face is completely closed. This is common in today’s game. Nadal’s right shoulder is just now starting to come through the contact zone. His legs and back are in perfect position, and
he’s low to the ball. I prefer to see a player get down with his legs like Nadal does rather than bend at the waist.

4. Nadal is pulling the right side of his body around first, and his left side is dragging behind. This helps him load up more power until he’s ready to let his swing rip. He’s beginning to come up with his legs, but, contrary to what you might expect, his weight is shifting toward his back foot rather than to his front, the way tennis players are traditionally taught.



5. Here you clearly see one of the more unusual aspects of Nadal’s forehand. Typically, players who use a Western grip make contact close to their bodies and with a pronounced elbow bend. But Nadal strikes the ball with his left arm almost fully extended. Plus, he’s hitting the ball completely off his back foot, but his right side has come through and his upper body is open.

6. In this frame we can see how today’s forehand differs from the typical forehand of the 1970s and ’80s. Nadal and most pros these days have what I call a “windshield wiper” swing. This means that after he makes contact, Nadal swings his racquet across his body and flips it over, using the same motion as a windshield wiper. In the past, players typically extended through the hitting zone before following through to the other side of their bodies.



7. Another difference between today’s forehand and the one used in my era is that we were taught to follow through high and in the direction of our target and catch the racquet with our opposing hand. That’s not the case here; Nadal’s racquet has gone past his right hand and continues to wrap around his midsection. His weight has finally started to move to his right foot.

8. Amazingly, Nadal’s racquet has finished completely around his body. Look at the position of his right shoulder in the first photo and notice his left shoulder in this one. He was looking over his right shoulder at the beginning and ended looking over his left. This rotation is a great checkpoint for everyone, regardless of the forehand you use. If you can go shoulder to shoulder, you’ll ensure a full stroke.

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Yeah great article I've read it in Tennis Magazine , but this shot is unique and very hard to copy

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A detailed review of the ugliest and technically worst forehand of the circuit. Well done!
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A detailed review of the ugliest and technically worst forehand of the circuit. Well done!
And the one owning the single handed bh of the world no.1
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maybe but it works like magic on clay and is killing Federer on every slower surface than grass or indoor

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On clay this is the single best shot in mens tennis.

On fast surfaces not so effective, b/c he needs time to hit it, and the bounce on clay helps alot too. His backhand is actually more effective on other surfaces.
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maybe but it works like magic on clay and is killing Federer on every slower surface than grass or indoor
You mean like it did at AO this year?

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You mean like it did at AO this year?
did he played Federer at AO ??
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Thanks for that post. Like many of the greats, Nadal produces his strokes in his own idiosyncratic way.

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maybe but it works like magic on clay and is killing Federer on every slower surface than grass or indoor
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You mean like it did at AO this year?
Nadal did not progress far enough to explore that idea at the US Open or Australian Open.

The Nadal forehand on indoor and on hard courts often seems to drop short and provide a pleasant high bouncing ball for the opponent to hit a winner.

The Nadal backhand is a cleaner hit and overall a better shot.
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Nadal did not progress far enough to explore that idea at the US Open or Australian Open.

The Nadal forehand on indoor and on hard courts often seems to drop short and provide a pleasant high bouncing ball for the opponent to hit a winner.

The Nadal backhand is a cleaner hit and overall a better shot.
Yeah I agree but it was still killing Fedrer two times in Miami(I know he lost once ) and in Dubai and work nice in Wimby and TMC

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did he played Federer at AO ??
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Of course not. That's my point. Who cares if it's "killing Federer" if he doesn't get far enought to play him? The reason Nadal's got a positive h2h against Federer is because Federer gets far enough on clay to face Nadal.

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Fact is:

Nadal FH vs. Fed BH

Nadal BH vs. Fed FH about even

Remember some huge BH CC shots by Nadal
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Of course not. That's my point. Who cares if it's "killing Federer" if he doesn't get far enought to play him? The reason Nadal's got a positive h2h against Federer is because Federer gets far enough on clay to face Nadal.
Nadal vs Federer
4-0 on clay
2-1 on hardcourt
0-1 on grass
0-1 indoors

Federer = Rafa's bitch on clay

I know that since Wimby Nadal is not playing nowhere his best tennis, injuries problems with confidence and focus in tight moments but still Nadal's forehand is killing Roger not only on clay

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OH GOD , why does every thread have to end up deadly talking about Nadal vs Fed. meetings blah, blah,....
Anyway , Interesting to read and honestly though it's seen as Nadal's first powerful shot and so, but i still think his backhand is and can be more dangerous for his opponents even though it meets their forehand sides.

But i have to say i think he hasn't invested it yet (perhaps he still not that comfortable with the backhand shot) but every now and then during his matches , u can see how deeper his backhands can get.

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