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After 3 of 12 - how is Round Robin for you?

We had Adelaide, using 32RR-H, as did Delray Beach, and Viña Del Mar used 24RR.

3 tournaments into the "grand experiment", what do people make of it so far?

Personally, I don't much like it, but I'm less irritated by it than I thought I would be. The inconsistencies bug me and the obvious potential for players to tank when they've done enough to qualify (or "lose motivation" as we must put it). It seems like a needlessly complicated way to cull 24 players from a 32 man draw, in the case of 32RR-H, and an only slightly easier way to cull 16 players from a 24RR draw.

Having said all that, I think I can put up with it, if it ends up sticking around permanently at some tournaments. It seems to make very little difference in the grand scheme of things, so far - the players who go through to the QFs are, generally speaking, the players who you'd expect to had they played a traditional knock-out draw. Seeds who haven't progressed have usually done so losing both RR matches, so have failed to take advantage of the extra chance to hang around. Most groups have been decided by 2 wins, rather than 1 win for all 3 and going to set % and h2h.

So if it ends up here to stay, I can live with it, even if it leaves a bit of nasty taste in my mouth at times.

I still can't see how this is supposed to help the casual fan, though. It's more confusing and, okay, the stars are guaranted two matches, but I've really yet to see a case where fans would have lost out if it had been traditional knock-out format.

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Re: After 3 of 13 - how is Round Robin for you?

Still sucks.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Re: After 3 of 13 - how is Round Robin for you?

it's even worse than I thought it could be

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It sucks. I don't feel like bothering to take the time to work out how the MDE shit works. To me that is the worst of the formats of all - Vina wasn't as bad with the straight 3 groups of 8, but I don't like that the draw size is smaller and 8 fewer guys get the chance to pick up the first round money and stuff (which many of them badly need).

I also desperately dislike the "dead matches" idea and the fact that malisse could win the tournament while lose a match is just wrong for me. It's just not how it is supposed to be.

Your last little bit is spot on - if anything, the confusion of it all can only be detrimental to attracting new people to the sport, and the problem is that it's also alienating the die-hard fans like us.

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Re: After 3 of 13 - how is Round Robin for you?

Malisse proved RR was a joke and was very clear about it. That's why his win at Delray is even better.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Re: After 3 of 13 - how is Round Robin for you?

sucks all the way....

lots of tanks when you lose the 1st match easily in straight sets... and when a player need only 1 set to advance to the next round (see Malisse vs Schuettler in Delray Beach)

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Are there any transcripts to what Malisse said?
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Re: After 3 of 13 - how is Round Robin for you?

I still feel as strongly about it as ever. Malisse won the title after losing a match. That's just wrong. That Schuettler match didn't matter, and it should matter. Every match should matter.

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Are there any transcripts to what Malisse said?
"It's just I knew I had to win one set and I won the first set and there was no motivation anymore," said Malisse.

"It's different tennis. It's a different mentality. You win a set and what are you playing for? There's nothing to it any more."

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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"It's just I knew I had to win one set and I won the first set and there was no motivation anymore," said Malisse.

"It's different tennis. It's a different mentality. You win a set and what are you playing for? There's nothing to it any more."
Where's that quote sourced from?
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I still feel as strongly about it as ever. Malisse won the title after losing a match. That's just wrong. That Schuettler match didn't matter, and it should matter. Every match should matter.
I'm kind of impartial on the subject of RR, but what I would say is that in many sports, people/teams can lose matches and still go on to win a tournament/cup/whatever.
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many sports it's tennis.

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A bag of s h y t e.
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Where's that quote sourced from?
http://fullcoverage.yahoo.com/s/cpre...n_delray_beach

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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So Mr Disney can say that fans are rewarded by seeing their favourite players later in the week
But didn't Adelaide have a lot of upsets and almost no seeds made it through? So I don't think he can conclusively say that yet. And the respective fields are incomparable. If Delray Beach had been regular format, I'm sure the same thing would have happened because most of the seeds were so far better than most of the rest of the field.
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I never liked it, and I hope it will die a slow death
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