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View Poll Results: Biggest Bolter/Surprise Winner Of a TMS title
Mikael Pernfors - 1993 Canadian Open 1 1.02%
Roberto Carretero - 1996 Hamburg 30 30.61%
Wayne Ferreira - 1996 Canadian Open 4 4.08%
Chris Woodruff - 1997 Canadian Open 20 20.41%
Thomas Johansson - 1999 Canadian Open 0 0%
Cedric Pioline - 2000 Monte Carlo 2 2.04%
Albert Portas - 2001 Hamburg 20 20.41%
Andrei Pavel - 2001 Canadian Open 1 1.02%
Guillermo Canas - 2002 Canadian Open 11 11.22%
Felix Mantilla - 2003 Rome 9 9.18%
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Most Surprising or Biggest Bolter ever to win a TMS title?

This is a poll for the biggest bolter to win a TMS title at that time and look at the dates carefully.

In my opinion the answer to this is the great Roberto Carretero the guy was ranked #143 at the time and qualified for the event he beat 4 seeded players to win and two very good claycourters as well.

R1: def. Jordi Arrese, 6-3,5-7,7-6(2)
R2: def. MaliVai Washington (10),6-1,6-0
R3: def. Arnaud Boetsch (7), 6-4,6-1
QF def. Gilbert Schaller (16), 4-6,6-4,6-4
SF: def. Yevgeny Kafelnikov (3), 7-5,6-2
F: def. Alex Corretja, 2-6,6-4,6-4,6-4

After that he jumped up 85 places and only won one match that year which was a default from Jordi Burillo in 1R US Open.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1

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Re: Most Surprising or Biggest Bolter ever to win a TMS title?

Either him or Woodruff
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Re: Most Surprising or Biggest Bolter ever to win a TMS title?

Whenever you are ready to vote Wyver, at least I tried to put a tennis topic here.

If Roddick wins a clay TMS then I could include him.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: Most Surprising or Biggest Bolter ever to win a TMS title?

Wouldn't Portas be considered to the most surprising? He hadn't won a title previous to Hamburg, and had to qualify as well.

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But Portas was pretty good on clay as was Mantilla.......someone like Carretero was pretty hopeless everywhere
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Portas also surprised me when he won Hamburg, Juanqui had him in the finals but finally lost in 5 sets ! Portas really played great in this tournament though!

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Re: Most Surprising or Biggest Bolter ever to win a TMS title?

Pioline once won a clay TMS?

I voted for Carretero.

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Pioline was very good on clay, he made the RG semis back in 1998 beating Safin and Arazi back to back but was absolutely exhausted and got crunched in straight sets by Corretja, a bit like the next French hope three years later. He beat Hrbaty in the Monte Carlo final.

Didn't Country have an amazing run in Montreal? I don't know who he beat in the first two rounds, but in the last four he beat Philippoussis, Ivanisevic, Kafelnikov and Kuerten (don't know the exact order, but it was Kuerten in the final). And he made the IW semis in 99 taking out Henman before losing to the Scud.

Interestingly enough, when Carretero came back the next year to defend Hamburg he won one round against Knippschild, then got absolutely thrashed 1 and 1 by a certain Felix Mantilla who went on to reach the final that year, losing to Medvedev. It's been observed that no-one has won their first ever TMS final since Canas back in 2002 (Coria, Mantilla, Roddick and Henman had all been in finals previously before they won last year).

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Whenever you are ready to vote Wyver, at least I tried to put a tennis topic here.

If Roddick wins a clay TMS then I could include him.
so where's Sampras

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Re: Most Surprising or Biggest Bolter ever to win a TMS title?

Roberto Carretero
he holds the record for biggest fall in ranks in one week while still playing on tour.

He went partying and womanizing after that Hamburg triumph and hardly won a match in the next yr.

Portas, he's been around along time, his was still flukey and is still in top 100.
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so where's Sampras
Sampras was a Roland Garros semifinalist eventually. Roddick? Heh.

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I'd like to block that Ferrero-Portas final out of memory. I'm sorry, but Portas should never have won that title. Ferrero just fucking lost it. Lame.

Funny how many of these are from the Canadian Open. Wacky wacky tournament.

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Sampras was a Roland Garros semifinalist eventually. Roddick? Heh.
Well, to be fair, Roddick probably has 8-10 more years of tennis ahead, so he most likely will reach that. Even though I haven't really been able to watch a lot of tennis, but I think Andy has improved a lot over the past few months, and is still improving. He is adding more variety to his game, and his confidence seems to be growing. Only time can tell how far he will go.
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so where's Sampras
Nice one Naldo.

I consider Sampras winning his one claycourt Masters event at Rome in 1994 to be far more surprising than Pioline winning in Monte Carlo (Pioline had after all been in the Monte Carlo final twice previously losing in 98 to Moya and in 93 to Bruguera) or Mantilla winning in Rome last year (hey!! the guys won 10 ATP titles on clay).

Take away Sampras's Master's win in Rome in 94 and his career record for the three clay Masters events would have stood at 17-18. Sampras reached only one other final on european clay in his entire career when he won in Kitbuhel in 92. Among those 18 loses were wins by Alex Calatrava, Harel Levy, Paul Haarhuis, Arnaud di Pasquale, Carl-Uwe Steeb and of course Fabrice Santoro (three times ).

But I agree with George, the most surprising Masters win has to be Carretero`s. He would win only 7 more ATP matches for the rest of his career. As surprising as Portas`s German Open win it was nothing compared to Carretero`s.

My runner-up would be Michael Pernfors who, although a former top ten player, had won only 12 ATP matches in the preceding 3 years and won only another 6 for the remainder of his career.

One more thing. What is Ferreira`s name doing on this list. He`s been a top 10 player, won 2 Master`s titles (he also won Stugart in 2000), is a two time grand slam semi finalist and has earned roughly 10 million dollars in his career. That`s not too bad.

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Well, to be fair, Roddick probably has 8-10 more years of tennis ahead, so he most likely will reach that. Even though I haven't really been able to watch a lot of tennis, but I think Andy has improved a lot over the past few months, and is still improving. He is adding more variety to his game, and his confidence seems to be growing. Only time can tell how far he will go.
I didnt' say he would never do it. But at the moment, there is a reason that Sampras doesn't belong on that list, and that is one of the many. Mind you, I don't think that Roddick would belong on the list if he won a clay masters either, but that wasn't the point

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