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MELBOURNE, Australia -- The hybrid 32-draw round-robin format first used as an experiment at the Adelaide International could be scrapped next year after ATP Chairman Etienne de Villiers admitted it was "confusing."

ATP is experimenting with three styles of round-robin formats at some tournaments this year -- 48- and 24-man draws and the hybrid format used at Adelaide which involves 32 players, eight who attempt to qualify for the 24-man round-robin portion of the tournament which features eight three-man groups.

However, weather problems at Adelaide delayed some matches, and some of the elimination and qualifying matches were played after the first round of the round-robin.

"I will be very, very surprised if that 32 hybrid survives," de Villiers said Sunday. "It was very creative, but it was very confusing as well."

"Qualifiers, eliminations, and then wait to see who gets into the first round, then you get delays, and you get some guys playing the first round before the qualifiers are finished."

De Villiers said round-robin formats are desirable in some cases, particularly in guaranteeing that certain players will compete in local markets on specific days and times for television.

And in the case of Adelaide, the first tournament of the year, a big-name player rusty from the holidays would have a second chance if he gets beaten in his first match.

De Villiers said he got some good feedback.

"Adelaide came back with a whole bunch of interesting ideas," de Villiers said. "Every experiment you do, you are always surprised by what you learn."
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Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
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He won't give up so easily. He is using the "feedback" to probably find alternate ways to make it confusing.

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"It was very creative, but it was very confusing as well."
No shit!!! confusing and unfair to newcomers and low-ranked guys

The end of the article doesn't sound very optimistic, he'll probably come up with new bad ideas

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The end of the article doesn't sound very optimistic, he'll probably come up with new bad ideas
Yeah, as long as Mr. Disney uses the word "creative", I'm not convinced he'll easily let go of this moronic idea.

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Well goodness me, I can't think why he found it confusing.

I thought it was a masterpiece of simplicity and straightforwardness. I didn't need a math degree at all to work out the permutations of who would progress from Johansson's group.

The poor man musn't have been trying.

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I think the word we're all looking for is... hallelujah!!


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As much as this as a relief, it's disconcerting to hear that he scrapped it primarily because he was confused, rather than because it's a completely biased and unfair system
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Well goodness me, I can't think why he found it confusing.

I thought it was a masterpiece of simplicity and straightforwardness. I didn't need a math degree at all to work out the permutations of who would progress from Johansson's group.

The poor man musn't have been trying.

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Good one.

At least though he can admit when he's wrong. A lot of people can't do that. So I give him some credit.

Though I know he hasn't completely given up on the round robin idea.
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Well d'uh!!!
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Re: ATP Chairman De Villiers calls RR format "very confusing" !!!

The thing about everyone complaining about it being an unfair system is...he doesn't care. That's why he created it. They cheerfully agree that it's designed to push the top players through.

I'm not sure when predictability in sports became a good thing.

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Did he say RR was confusing or using it with a 32 man draw was confusing?

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