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Should Federer give it a shoot for the Major missing Masters?

Unfortunately as we all know Federer has never been able to claim the two prestigious clay Masters 1000s of Rome and Monte Carlo, despite 8 finals.

Monte Carlo Masters:

2006 Final: R. Nadal 2-6, 7-6, 3-6, 6-7
2007 Final: R. Nadal 4-6, 4-6
2008 Final: R. Nadal 5-7, 5-7
2014 Final: S. Wawrinka 6-4, 6-7, 2-6

Italian Open Rome:

2003 Final: F. Mantilla 5-7, 2-6, 6-7
2006 Final: R. Nadal 7-6, 6-7, 4-6, 6-2, 6-7
2013 Final: R. Nadal 1-6, 3-6
2015 Final: N. Djokovic 4-6, 3-6

Should Federer give it a shoot during the next years as it will clearly be wonderful for his resume to win these coveted clay 1000s?

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Re: Should Federer give it a shoot for the Major missing Masters?

Nobody cares about Mickey Carlo besides Nadaltards so if he wins that one it will be a bonus but nothing great.

Rome would be great, that's the one title he's missing cause Rome is rich in history. One of the most prestigious and best masters.

For me, if Federer wins Rome and USO next year and retires, I'll be satisfied with his career regardless of whether dull breaks his record or not.
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Re: Should Federer give it a shoot for the Major missing Masters?

Yes I hope Federer plays the clay season every year
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Re: Should Federer give it a shoot for the Major missing Masters?

Fraud could have probably won Rome this year given that RAFA was too tired after vulturing Mickey Carlo, Barcelona and Madrid back to back.

Then again, that would have meant for him actually giving a crap about the clay court season.

PS: It's funny how of a few of those losses in the OP were chokes, namely the 2006 RG Final and the MC 2014 final

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Re: Should Federer give it a shoot for the Major missing Masters?

He was also runner up in 2003 Rome, lost in straights to Félix Mantilla.

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Re: Should Federer give it a shoot for the Major missing Masters?

I imagine Fed would rather win another slam

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Nobody cares about Mickey Carlo besides Nadaltards so if he wins that one it will be a bonus but nothing great.

Rome would be great, that's the one title he's missing cause Rome is rich in history. One of the most prestigious and best masters.

For me, if Federer wins Rome and USO next year and retires, I'll be satisfied with his career regardless of whether dull breaks his record or not.
You know Monte-Carlo has 40 more years of history than Rome, right?
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Re: Should Federer give it a shoot for the Major missing Masters?

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You know Monte-Carlo has 40 more years of history than Rome, right?
I think you're confused with prestige of Monaco Grand prix with Mickey Carlo though I don't blame you since they're both held in the same place (Monte Carlo).
Yes, it is prestigious to win the Monaco Grand prix. F1 GOAT Ayrton Senna won it the most times.

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Re: Should Federer give it a shoot for the Major missing Masters?

No point.
Winning MC or Rome won't make him anywhere close to Rafa on clay.
It also won't change the his status, as probably the greatest clay-courter ever with only one FO (along with Djokovic).

Besides, clay requires sliding around and i am not sure Rogie is keen to go sliding around as a 36 year old on his surgically repaired knee.
Atleast, not when he is still good enough to win Wimbledon and its impossible for him to win Wimbledon if he gets any niggle during clay season- not enough recovery time for him.

All in all, the only time i can see Roger playing MC/Italy in the future, is if he is well past winning grand-slams and knows it, is playing his last year as a 'swan-song' and trying to check everything off the box- unwon tourneys, new tourneys to visit, etc.
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Re: Should Federer give it a shoot for the Major missing Masters?

Oh and anyone insulting Monte Carlo, is suffering from memory loss.
Its only recently Atp made MC an optional major and thus, its prestige has declined.
But MC was held as the most coveted clay title in the 80s & 90s, after the French Open. its because it was always near the start of the clay season, almost every major guy played it.

Not all tourneys are made equal. For e.g., Dubai is easily the top 500 level event, because it almost always sees a number of top 5 players & top 20 players. Easy to see why: players play for money first and foremost and only when they are top-5 superstar level, they prioritize ranking. Dubai gives out way more $$ as prize money than any other level-500 tourney.

Similarly, Doha is probably the best 250 event- it is easily the most well paying and happens in the rare window of good weather in middle east : Qatar is 15-25 degrees in early January, is one of the few tourneys before AO and again, a lot of top players play that 250-level event.

MC used to be the main clay event after the FO. Now, I'd say Madrid Open is the most prestigeous in clay tour. For Hard courts,the most important non-slam/non-tour finals event would be Indian Wells and Miami.
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Re: Should Federer give it a shoot for the Major missing Masters?

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I think you're confused with prestige of Monaco Grand prix with Mickey Carlo though I don't blame you since they're both held in the same place (Monte Carlo).
Yes, it is prestigious to win the Monaco Grand prix. F1 GOAT Ayrton Senna won it the most times.
1st Monte-Carlo: 1897, but they were playing on the Riviera since the start
1st Rome: 1930, but it was a smaller pro event, and it was not held '36-'49, MC only missed 40-45

They've always been big events, but especially since post WW2, both have been very very prestigious, mate

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Re: Should Federer give it a shoot for the Major missing Masters?

Madrid >> Rome for the reason that more top players skip Rome than Madrid, because of its closeness to FO and the length of the clay court season.
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Re: Should Federer give it a shoot for the Major missing Masters?

Also, 'now it is not' is true only for future players/players for the last 2-3 years.
this doesn't change the fact that when Rafa started winning MC, it was the premier clay-court master. No more than it wouldn't count as a 'masters win' for Federer if in future Halle got upgraded to a masters level tourney.
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Re: Should Federer give it a shoot for the Major missing Masters?

Madrid is garbage, it is a damn shame what they did to Hamburg. Hamburg has even more history than Monte-Carlo, going back 5 years further, beginning in 189motherfucking2

Really Hamburg is the one with MOST prestige and history, Madrid way the least, only since 2002. Even Shanghai has more history, 1996

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Re: Should Federer give it a shoot for the Major missing Masters?

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Unfortunately as we all know Federer has never been able to claim the two prestigious clay Masters 1000s of Rome and Monte Carlo, despite 8 finals.

Monte Carlo Masters:

2006 Final: R. Nadal 2-6, 7-6, 3-6, 6-7
2007 Final: R. Nadal 4-6, 4-6
2008 Final: R. Nadal 5-7, 5-7
2014 Final: S. Wawrinka 6-4, 6-7, 2-6

Italian Open Rome:

2003 Final: F. Mantilla 5-7, 2-6, 6-7
2006 Final: R. Nadal 7-6, 6-7, 4-6, 6-2, 6-7
2013 Final: R. Nadal 1-6, 3-6
2015 Final: N. Djokovic 4-6, 3-6

Should Federer give it a shoot during the next years as it will clearly be wonderful for his resume to win these coveted clay 1000s?
He doesn't stand a chance in hell on clay.
The only reason he was fresh enough for Wimb was because he skipped the entire clay season.

Sometimes the hubris of the Fed fans is astounding.
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He doesn't stand a chance in hell on clay.
The only reason he was fresh enough for Wimb was because he skipped the entire clay season.

Sometimes the hubris of the Fed fans is astounding.
Says a Nadal fan who states that Fed doesn't stand "a chance in hell on clay". Hubris, seems your name begins with "Rox..."



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