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Nadal vs. Muller @ Wimbledon.
Nadal 77 winners, 17 unforced errors.
Muller 95 winners, 52 unforced errors.

No surprise that Muller didn't go on to win the title, as you can't maintain this level or anything close to it.

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AO: Woofa - Droll

RG: Wawr - Mandy

WIM: GOATerer - Birdie

USO: Servebotro - Clayminic (for the epic last two sets)
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Re: What was the highest quality slam match of 2017?

I don't think a serve and volley dominated match on grass should be pointed out for if you're going to use the winner-unforced error ratio as a main argument for it being high-quality (which isn't suggesting it wasn't), but typically these sorts of matches have a very positive ratio.

For example when Stakhovsky upset Federer in 2013, the winner-unforced error ratios were 72 winners: 17 unforced errors for Stak, and 57 winners: 13 unforced errors for Fed. That's insane if you read it on paper.
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Re: What was the highest quality slam match of 2017?

For me Federer's level against Berdych at the Australian open is up there with the highest quality I've seen in a match this year. He was painting the lines in that match. Nadal - Dimi semifinal was the overall best match though I think.
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If Muller vs Nadal is the highest quality match of 2017, then I would not be surprised if Last Airbender is your favourite move of all time.

Just goes to show how poor the quality of tennis in 2017 and 2016 for that matter has been.

I think you have to go as far back as 2013 to find some slams with entertaining and high quality matches.
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I don't think a serve and volley dominated match on grass should be pointed out for if you're going to use the winner-unforced error ratio as a main argument for it being high-quality (which isn't suggesting it wasn't), but typically these sorts of matches have a very positive ratio.

For example when Stakhovsky upset Federer in 2013, the winner-unforced error ratios were 72 winners: 17 unforced errors for Stak, and 57 winners: 13 unforced errors for Fed. That's insane if you read it on paper.
I don't measure a match based on winners-unf errors, but I decided to post it anyway because I can't post the emotional gratitude I felt when watching the incredible match.
I could have just posted the match score instead, either way.
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If Muller vs Nadal is the highest quality match of 2017, then I would not be surprised if Last Airbender is your favourite move of all time.

Just goes to show how poor the quality of tennis in 2017 and 2016 for that matter has been.

I think you have to go as far back as 2013 to find some slams with entertaining and high quality matches.
2013 did not occur in 2017 so I can't include those matches.
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I don't think a serve and volley dominated match on grass should be pointed out for if you're going to use the winner-unforced error ratio as a main argument for it being high-quality (which isn't suggesting it wasn't), but typically these sorts of matches have a very positive ratio.

For example when Stakhovsky upset Federer in 2013, the winner-unforced error ratios were 72 winners: 17 unforced errors for Stak, and 57 winners: 13 unforced errors for Fed. That's insane if you read it on paper.
Yup, if I'm not mistaken at least at Wimbeldon any error off a serve and volley is always considered a forced error which inflates the W/UE ratio significantly in those matches
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I don't think a serve and volley dominated match on grass should be pointed out for if you're going to use the winner-unforced error ratio as a main argument for it being high-quality (which isn't suggesting it wasn't), but typically these sorts of matches have a very positive ratio.

For example when Stakhovsky upset Federer in 2013, the winner-unforced error ratios were 72 winners: 17 unforced errors for Stak, and 57 winners: 13 unforced errors for Fed. That's insane if you read it on paper.
You are obviously right. long matches against big servers or serve & volley players are very likely to produce these kind of stats, because there aren't many unforced errors due to the agressiveness of the game, mostly are forced. And obviously there will be a lot of easy winners in those matches.

Nothing new, OP just showing again his lack of tennis knowledge, not the first time he states having a great W-L ratio against a bot/S&V is something spetacular.

Four of the five best slam matches of the year happened in the Australian Open imho:

Dimitrov vs. Nadal
Federer vs. Nishikori
Federer vs. Nadal
Djokovic vs. Istomin

Add to that list Schwartzman vs. Djokovic in RG and it's my top 5 (regarding to the quality of tennis played).
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Re: What was the highest quality slam match of 2017?

Best match, if I include overall quality, competitiveness, and entertainment value:

AO: Federer - Nadal
RG: Wawrinka - Murray
Wim: Muller - Nadal
USO: Del Potro - Thiem

Highest quality match by the winners of the respective match:

AO: Federer - Berdych
RG: Nadal - Wawrinka
Wim: Federer - Dimitrov
USO: Nadal - Anderson

If I have to chose one out of all: Federer - Nadal, AO Final
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Re: What was the highest quality slam match of 2017?

Highest quality match was Federer Berdych AO and Federer Berdych Wim. The way Fed dismantled Berdych at AO and handled him in Wim is the highlight of the year. Berdych was almost unplayable at Wim and the way Fed managed him without dropping a set was the highlight of Wimbledon. That is the highest level of tennis you'll ever watch. Just beautiful clean hitting from both tennis players. Magnificent stuff.

I don't count the matches he played vs dull but the IW match was simply magnificent. Defeating evil in such a beautiful, clean fashion has to be mentioned.

Also special mention and thank you to the wonderful Gilles Muller for saving tennis.

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Re: What was the highest quality slam match of 2017?

I'm surprised Nadal-Federer AO is getting a mention, when you consider how streaky the 2nd, 3rd and 4th sets were.
Not a high quality at all.
It looked like Nadal was trying to save his energy at times (or was too tired to hustle), and it looked like Federer lost the plot at other times.
And Nadal's double faults in the 5th set....
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My gut choice when I first read this was Dimitrov-Nadal on AO. That being said, Wawrinka-Murray on RG may be the best one. I don't remember extreme attack vs. defense throughout the whole season except maybe Federer-Nadal on AO (and even then I think both were more balanced in those stats than the RG match). I will agree that 4th and 5th Set Del Potro-Thiem was maybe the highest level Sets this seasom. The Muller-Nadal match surely has to be one of the most dramatic because you just don't know if Muller will finish the job.
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Re: What was the highest quality slam match of 2017?

In terms of peak performance of the winner it has to be RG final and Federer - Berdych from AO.

In terms of average performance by both players from what I've seen:
AO Nadal-Dimitrov
RG Wawrinka-Murray
Wimbledon Federer-Berdych

In this order.

USO... I can't pick DelPo-Thiem, because there was only one decent player on the court at a time. And I barely remember other matches.

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