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As a tennis fan - I am very concerned.

I think ALL tennis fans should be. The fanboys will continue their meaningless internet wars, playing favourites and measuring their epeens. Some are worse offenders than others of course.

Let's cut to the chase - tennis is a beautiful game, but I just don't see how this current landscape helps the sport. Certainly, worldwide it's far lower on the popularity scale than football (soccer), basketball, cricket - even golf (which I will never consider a sport, but that's a subject for another time). And the staleness in the men's game - the gold standard - is a very negative thing.

Seriously, I have no idea how things reached this state. It's great of course to have figureheads - legends of the sport that people can rally around. But in reality, like in everything in life, change is good and necessary. We need an injection of new players to come and take over once and for all. There has been some promise this year - especially among Zverev and Shapovalov. But they are still raw, and yes the game is physically very different than it was even 15 years ago. So they are not quite there yet, especially in the Slams.

So yeah, now we've reached this situation on the men's tour. As great as Federer and even Djokovic/Nadal are, this situation needs to change.

For the health of the game, for the love of the sport.
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Re: As a tennis fan - I am very concerned.

Then pick up a tennis racket and start playing tennis. Or if you have a son or brother, take him to a tennis academy and encourage him to play tennis.

Your whiny posts that "I am very concerned" will not help. What exactly are you doing to change the current situation, other than your whining?
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Re: As a tennis fan - I am very concerned.

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Then pick up a tennis racket and start playing tennis. Or if you have a son or brother, take him to a tennis academy and encourage him to play tennis.

Your whiny posts that "I am very concerned" will not help. What exactly are you doing to change the current situation, other than your whining?
Strange reply. I play tennis, I don't have children. At 41, I'm quite unlikely to make it on the tour.

But that's all beside the point. How would I myself be able to encourage growth vs a massive outpouring of interest generated from above - i.e. the interest generated by new leading lights on the men's tour?

Jesus this forum. Wow.
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Re: As a tennis fan - I am very concerned.

Roger started winning Majors in 2003 and Rafa in 2005. In the 15 years since 2003 they started the two have combined to win 35 of the 60 Titles (a Whooping 70% of the Total).

In the decade 2008 to 2017, the two have combined to win 20 out of the 40 ( a healthy 50%).

After such a domination by two of the All Time Greats , there can be a RELATIVE slump but some youngters are making their presence. 2018 can ne a brak through year. Nothing to despair

Takign Novak's 12 the domination of Big 3 would look even more ominous. But all good things will end but new comers will emerge. I
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Re: As a tennis fan - I am very concerned.

@Jolyon Of course that seems to be farfetched if he does not have the budget or drive to actually do it , but I guess it is about celebrating the veterans like it is still "good for the sport". Frankly I think there is a slight consensus that while it's good that Fedal are adding more Slams on their tally and widen their records, I think many also feel that we are lacking the excitement of when new emerging talents become champions, or a feeling that someone will threaten the top guys on some matches. Really, both Finalists did not face a Top 20 player, except Carreno Busta (whose #19), which really made it hard to relate to both having "great runs", seeing they kinda cleaned up the top player "mess". I think the same could also be said of Fed's run in Wimbledon, where you felt there was really no doubt he'd win it after Djokovic and Murray's exits.

I don't think there should be panic -- we see the #NextGen creeping with great results this year and may start to really emerge in the next 2 years -- but for now patience is the key in wanting bit more life to the game. 2018 will surely be interesting, with the aforementioned top players hopefully back into shape. Fed and Nadal has shown how long time recovery helps not only physically but mentally and if it does work then we may see higher quality matches.

It may not be exactly happening now (although 3 Masters titles from players younger than Cilic begs to differ) but change WILL happen.
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Re: As a tennis fan - I am very concerned.

Thought this post would be about the social factors and fan wars between sides, it turned to the new guard not stepping up enough.
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Re: As a tennis fan - I am very concerned.

I mean it's not like this is a new problem. If the guys under the age of like 26 all suck now that means we've had this issue for the last like 5 years. Just pray to god that Zverev really does step up, and the likes of Shapovalov (spelling?) end up being something. Otherwise it might end up like the WTA, where a different player wins every slam (which is fine for some length of time, but gets old fast if there aren't any leaders on the tour)

in a dream world the likes of Zverev and Shap will end up stepping up and becoming rivals, or some others similar to that. Tennis in 5 years will be a depressing platform if it's just a bunch of guys play OKAY fighting for the scraps of titles

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Re: As a tennis fan - I am very concerned.

I feel like this thread was created like 3 years too late. The tour has been stagnating at least since 2013 and NOW you start to feel concerned?

Personally I've accepted that 2014+ is a weak era, but I tell you, 2017 is actually the first year in a LONG time that I've had some hope for the future of the sport.
This season we've seen some young players being really consistent (Zverev, Thiem, Kyrgios to some degree), and other youngsters with real potential (Shapovalov, Rublev, FAA, Tiafoe etc). These guys are better than Generation Useless and might be able to carry the sport in a few years.


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I feel like this thread was created like 3 years too late. The tour has been stagnating at least since 2013 and NOW you start to feel concerned?

Personally I've accepted that 2014+ is a weak era, but I tell you, 2017 is actually the first year in a LONG time that I've had some hope for the future of the sport.
This season we've seen some young players being really consistent (Zverev, Thiem, Kyrgios to some degree), and other youngsters with real potential (Shapovalov, Rublev, FAA, Tiafoe etc). These guys are better than Generation Useless and might be able to carry the sport in a few years.
right, similar sentiments in my post as well. This is old news, stagnation has been a thing for a while now with the garbage batch of young generations in the sport

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Re: As a tennis fan - I am very concerned.

This new generation looks far more exciting than the previous two. Shapovalov in particular with Zverev, Tiafoe, Rublev the other Canadian guy that I can't remember his name, etc. Though it's a bit worrisome that Zverev who is on paper the best right now is terrible at slams as it might delay the "change of guard", nobody will care if he beats Federer and Nadal at M1000 if he can't beat mugs in R3 of slams. But Shapovalov looked impressive in his first slam, reaching the 2nd week having to go through the qualy and only losing in tie-breaks due to inexperience more than lack of quality. I think he can go all the way in 2018 with a bit of luck if he doesn't stagnate.

Also Fedal dominated because the other guys that won the slams the past few years were playing terrible or injured (Djokovic, Murray and Wawrinka), if not slams would have been more interesting for sure.
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Personally I've accepted that 2014+ is a weak era, but I tell you, 2017 is actually the first year in a LONG time that I've had some hope for the future of the sport.
This season we've seen some young players being really consistent (Zverev, Thiem, Kyrgios to some degree), and other youngsters with real potential (Shapovalov, Rublev, FAA, Tiafoe etc). These guys are better than Generation Useless and might be able to carry the sport in a few years.
I agree. Following these younger players in the past few months has been extremely exciting. Some of them I followed through the ATP tour, but if I had wanted to watch a tennis match today, personally I would have visited livestream to check the Genova Challenger final. Yesterday, it was the Seville Challenger final. And if that is still not enough, perhaps one might want to go back to the Braunschweig Challenger final too.
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I am concerned for a different reason. I can't watch a sport were Nadal is likely to win the most majors and become the greatest. Nadal will be the face of tennis going forward. My tennis journey stops at this US open. This terrible US open did it for me. I'm done watching and following tennis.
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I feel like this thread was created like 3 years too late. The tour has been stagnating at least since 2013 and NOW you start to feel concerned?

Personally I've accepted that 2014+ is a weak era, but I tell you, 2017 is actually the first year in a LONG time that I've had some hope for the future of the sport.
This season we've seen some young players being really consistent (Zverev, Thiem, Kyrgios to some degree), and other youngsters with real potential (Shapovalov, Rublev, FAA, Tiafoe etc). These guys are better than Generation Useless and might be able to carry the sport in a few years.
But we had random winners in the last few years, so I guess I wasn't worried we left Fed and Rafa behind and hoped they had 1 more in them for the drama, then people like Murray, Cilic, or Wawrinka started getting wins. I don't know I find it extra depressing we went backwards despite rooting for all the players mentioned at one point or another.

This sport needs 7 or 8 people with a legitimate chance not 2 or 3 trying to get 20 each.
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Ofcourse you have to be very concerned for the state of tennis when dull can suddenly out of the blue vulture a non-clay slam. And ofcourse it is concerning that dull is still only within 3 slams of Federer, the latter being a vastly superior player to dull.

On top of that, even when Federer won 2 slams with quality opposition and playing high level tennis for his age(not the subpar crap that dull played at USO), he doesnt even have a shot at #1 or YE#1.

So ya it looked promising till about Cincy then nosedived into the crapper.

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The fact that Nadal won USO not playing a single high ranked player and is not being lauded as some Messiah is nauseating
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