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Winston-Salem 3R: Coric def. Isner 7-5 6-2

Wow, this result surprised me. Isner looked awfully tired whereas Borna played the best match, at least offensively, that I've ever seen from him. Borna can play defense at a very high level, just a notch below Novak or Andy at their best, but he's never been much of an offensive player. Granted, it's a lot easier to play offensive tennis when your opponent's legs are as heavy as it appeared Isner's were. Still, Borna was cracking the serve big, at least for him. In the past, Coric hits maybe one serve @ ~120 mph, with the rest more in the 110-115 range. Tonight Borna was bashing them in or near 120 throughout the match. Borna's was also hitting his forehand bigger than I've seen. Commentator Jimmy Arias also noted the improvements with Borna's serve & forehand.

Coric has had a merry-go-round of coaches in the past couple of years. He's just split with Ivica Ancic, and in his box was a new coach - I forget the name, just couldn't get past how much he looked like Novak's old fitness trainer. I have to wonder how much Borna's development stalled because he hasn't been able to find a solid relationship with a really good coach.
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John looked tired I thought in Cincy. And he played a 3 set Match yesterday in Winston-Salem. I bet since John is from N.C. he was not happy about a loss there.

I have been wondering for some time what had happened to Borna. When I first starting seeing him I thought he was the real deal, but so far I have been wrong. Maybe it is a coaching situation problem?

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Re: Winston-Salem 3R: Coric def. Isner 7-5 6-2

Dimitrav further more confirming his Cincinnati draw was an absolute joke. This guy got routined by someone as bad as Coric?
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Dimitrav further more confirming his Cincinnati draw was an absolute joke. This guy got routined by someone as bad as Coric?
Did you actually watch the Coric/Isner match? As Mae and I, as well as Arias & Gore in the booth, noted, Isner looked really tired, so tonight's loss is hardly a reflection of his level of play in Cinci. Plus Coric played far better offensive tennis than I've ever seen from him. He even said in the post-match interview that this was his best match of the year.
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Did you actually watch the Coric/Isner match? As Mae and I, as well as Arias & Gore in the booth, noted, Isner looked really tired, so tonight's loss is hardly a reflection of his level of play in Cinci. Plus Coric played far better offensive tennis than I've ever seen from him. He even said in the post-match interview that this was his best match of the year.
Yeah sure.

This guy literally played his first match after the semifinal in Cinci. He suddently couldn't run anymore to get routined like this? Doubt it. As said by someone above Isner already looked tired since Cincinnati, and frankly speaking his level in Cincinnati wasn't even that great. No matter how Coric plays he would never win with such a convincing score unless his opponent is utterly bad.

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Yeah sure.

This guy literally played his first match after the semifinal in Cinci. He suddently couldn't run anymore to get routined like this? Doubt it. As said by someone above Isner already looked tired since Cincinnati, and frankly speaking his level in Cincinnati wasn't even that great. No matter how Coric plays he would never win with such a convincing score unless his opponent is utterly bad.
Because you inserted a laughing emoji next to your response, I don't know if you watched the match or not. I'll assume you didn't, but set me right if that's not the case.

Tonight was not John's first match after Cinci. He played a long three-setter against Kuznetsov last night (162 total points played), plus this is Isner's fifth week of play in a row since Wimbledon. Most players would be fatigued after playing five weeks in a row, and let's not forget that John is 32 years old. Was Isner "utterly bad"? Although he was clearly subpar, I think "utterly bad" is an exaggeration. The lopsided (2nd set) score resulted from John's fatigue coupled with Borna's surprisingly offensive play.
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Because you inserted a laughing emoji next to your response, I don't know if you watched the match or not. I'll assume you didn't, but set me right if that's not the case.

Tonight was not John's first match after Cinci. He played a long three-setter against Kuznetsov last night (162 total points played), plus this is Isner's fifth week of play in a row since Wimbledon. Most players would be fatigued after playing five weeks in a row, and let's not forget that John is 32 years old. Was Isner "utterly bad"? Although he was clearly subpar, I think "utterly bad" is an exaggeration. The lopsided (2nd set) score resulted from John's fatigue coupled with Borna's surprisingly offensive play.
My bad I thought 2nd rounds are played today. I didn't see the match obviously but claiming Coric played offensive tennis is like saying Trump can play tennis. What were Coric stats at the end?

Isner wasn't playing his 5th tournament in a row. He withdrew from Washington because he was injured and part of me believes he is still playing with that injury ever since.

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Did you actually watch the Coric/Isner match? As Mae and I, as well as Arias & Gore in the booth, noted, Isner looked really tired, so tonight's loss is hardly a reflection of his level of play in Cinci. Plus Coric played far better offensive tennis than I've ever seen from him. He even said in the post-match interview that this was his best match of the year.
I'll reserve my opinion on Coric's offensive capability when he plays a better baseliner.
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I'll reserve my opinion on Coric's offensive capability when he plays a better baseliner.
Fair enough, as I conceded earlier, it's a helluva lot easier to play offensive tennis when your opponent is fatigued.
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My bad I thought 2nd rounds are played today. I didn't see the match obviously but claiming Coric played offensive tennis is like saying Trump can play tennis. What were Coric stats at the end?

Isner wasn't playing his 5th tournament in a row. He withdrew from Washington because he was injured and part of me believes he is still playing with that injury ever since.
I get where you're coming from. By the way, no match stats because ESPN is cost cutting (no statistician) and the ATP stats are useless. Having watched many Coric matches, I would never believe that Borna hit so many forehand and service winners had I not seen it with my own eyes. But as @MWW points out, best to reserve judgment until Borna plays a stronger baseliner. Hey, I'm not saying that Coric has completed any sort of transformation or anything, just that I was surprised by how well he served and hit the forehand in this one particular match, again, against a leg-weary opponent.

I wouldn't worry about Isner's knee injury (I forgot that he withdrew from DC, thanks for the reminder). In the Atlanta final, John was bending and stretching the knee out. Even though he ended up winning the match, you could tell it was bothering him quite a bit. He wasn't stretching or massaging the knee in tonight's match, no limping or grimacing either. It just looked like his legs were heavy. His footwork is never that great to begin with, but tonight you could really see the sloppiness because he sprayed a lot of sitter forehands. The one stat they did show was average serve speed. Mid-way through the 2nd set, get this, Borna's average 1st serve speed was actually 1 mph higher than John's, 115 to 114. Yikes!
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Oh dear. Losing this badly to Coric.
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I have to say, Coric does grab the opportunities that he has even if he's not exactly been stellar -- said to be the first player to defeat Isner in Winston-Salem.




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I have to say, Coric does grab the opportunities that he has even if he's not exactly been stellar -- said to be the first player to defeat Isner in Winston-Salem.

It's true, but he hasn't played all that much, 4th time this year. Won in 2011-12, forfeited the QF in 2014.

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