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Among big3, consider EVERYTHING, who is most convincing to you?

I mean, everything, but I don't give the definition of everything here. You can decide.

Like, I think Federer's game is the most beautiful, also achieved most so far, but his personality is not the best for me.
Nadal's mentality is the strongest, but game style and sportsmanship not for me.
Djokovic's personality is the best for me, also my top1 favorite, but his game style at this moment not the best for me, also his ambition is always the most fragile in my opinion.

You can end up just say who you like the most, that's alright.
And of course it's also possible who you like the most and most convincing to you actually the same person.
This is nothing serious, it's casual, just try a bit to be neutral, which I find a bit difficult, I haven't have answer yet.
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Re: Among big3, consider EVERYTHING, who is most convincing to you?

To be honest, Nadal is the most convincing. Saying as a Fed fan. Nadal just steps up when it mattered, especially to him and rarely loses big important matches against underdogs. Plus he is also able to turn to his favour even if condition says otherwise, like winning slams on his less favourite surfaces.
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Re: Among big3, consider EVERYTHING, who is most convincing to you?

If you combine personality factor, level of tennis and versatility, it's Novak Djokovic. The guy has been struggling from the very beginning. His childhood was messed up by a war, his parents were not rich, he was faaar behind two biggest tennis stars. That is why it's incredible who Novak has become over the years.

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Re: Among big3, consider EVERYTHING, who is most convincing to you?

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Re: Among big3, consider EVERYTHING, who is most convincing to you?

Rafael Nadal obviously - The real greatest player of all time. Doesn't need skewed and inflated statistics to back up, anyone who has seen this man play will attest to this
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To be honest, Nadal is the most convincing. Saying as a Fed fan. Nadal just steps up when it mattered, especially to him and rarely loses big important matches against underdogs. Plus he is also able to turn to his favour even if condition says otherwise, like winning slams on his less favourite surfaces.
Good to see an objective Federer for once
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Rafael Nadal obviously - The real greatest player of all time. Doesn't need skewed and inflated statistics to back up, anyone who has seen this man play will attest to this
Clay is pretty skewed, no?
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To be honest, Nadal is the most convincing. Saying as a Fed fan. Nadal just steps up when it mattered, especially to him and rarely loses big important matches against underdogs. Plus he is also able to turn to his favour even if condition says otherwise, like winning slams on his less favourite surfaces.


Good to see an objective Federer for once
We'll never see an objective Nadal fan ever
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Clay is pretty skewed, no?
Not really. RAFA has won MULTIPLE slams on every surface something his rivals has failed to do so
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Re: Among big3, consider EVERYTHING, who is most convincing to you?

These kind of polls will never be objective, will turn into the popularity contests between fan bases. That's why they don't make sense.

Would make sense if you asked neutral fans only - none of the big3 fans.

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Re: Among big3, consider EVERYTHING, who is most convincing to you?

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To be honest, Nadal is the most convincing. Saying as a Fed fan. Nadal just steps up when it mattered, especially to him and rarely loses big important matches against underdogs. Plus he is also able to turn to his favour even if condition says otherwise, like winning slams on his less favourite surfaces.
What are you talking about? First of all, that Nadal is so vulnerable on not just one surface but two... that doesn't exactly spell convincing to me. Secondly, "important matches"? Since their respective breakthroughs on the top level, Nadal has lost way more slam matches to weak players than Federer has. As for strength across surfaces, Rafa's record in Wimbledon for example 2012+ is fucking embarrassing for an all time great. "Stepping up when it matters" sounds wrong to me, too... Nadal's mental strength was good when he was younger but have you been under a rock for the last 4 years? He can't seem to come through anymore.

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If you combine personality factor, level of tennis and versatility, it's Novak Djokovic. The guy has been struggling from the very beginning. His childhood was messed up by a war, his parents were not rich, he was faaar behind two biggest tennis stars. That is why it's incredible who Novak has become over the years.

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Novak has an interesting background, but your 3 criteria? Versatility: Federer wins easily. Personality wise: it's personal preference (but for me Fed's hilarious smugness > Novak's attention craving > Rafito's fake humility).
Level of tennis: depends on surface (Rafa on clay, Fed on grass, Novak on... well... Fed has more slams than Novak on Novak's strongest surface, so...)
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Re: Among big3, consider EVERYTHING, who is most convincing to you?

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To be honest, Nadal is the most convincing. Saying as a Fed fan. Nadal just steps up when it mattered, especially to him and rarely loses big important matches against underdogs. Plus he is also able to turn to his favour even if condition says otherwise, like winning slams on his less favourite surfaces.
That's because he loses against the underdogs before they get to play the so-called important matches. If you feel losing to Del Potro in a USO final is worse than losing to Darcis & Verdasco in the 1st round, then I can't argue with you man. The only blot on Federer is the H2H vs Nadal, otherwise, it's not even close in terms of achievements & records. Like Djokovic is way closer to Roger in terms of records than Nadal.
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Re: Among big3, consider EVERYTHING, who is most convincing to you?

Federer obviously. Greatest accomplishments, highest consistency, smoothest elegance (very little grunting, unlike the other two), largest and most united nuclear family. Basically the most complete career and life. Only weakness was big match chokery, but Fed has overcome that with this magical run.
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Re: Among big3, consider EVERYTHING, who is most convincing to you?

Federer's paths to most of his slams:

AO:
2004: Bogomolov/Morrison/Reid/Hewitt/Nalbandian/Ferrero/Safin
2006: Istomin/Mayer/Miryni/Haas/Davydenko/Kiefer/Baghdatis
2007: Phau/Bjorkman/Youhzny/Nole/Robredo/Roddick/Gonzalez

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2003: Lee/Koubek/Fish/Lopez/Schalken/Roddick/Philippoussis
2004: Bogdanovic/Falla/Johannson/Karlovic/Hewitt/Grosjean/Roddick
2005: Mathieu/Minar/Kiefer/Ferrero/Gonzalez/Hewitt/Roddick
2006: Gasquet/Henman/Mahut/Berdych/Ancic/Bjorkman/Nadal
2007: Gabahsvili/Delpo/Safin/walkover/Ferrero/Gasquet/Nadal
2009: Lu/GGL/Kohlscreiber/Soderling/Karlovic/Haas/Roddick

USO
2004: Costa/Baghdatis/Santoro/walkover/Agassi/Henman/Hewitt
2005: Minar/Santoro/Rochus/Kiefer/Nabandian/Hewitt/Agassi
2006: Wang/Henman/Spadea/Gicquel/Blake/Davydenko/Roddick
2007: Jenkins/Capdevile/Isner/Lopez/Roddick/Davydenko/gluten Nole
2008: Gonzalez/Alves/Stepanek/Andreev/Muller/gluten Nole/Murray (his last USO win)
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Re: Among big3, consider EVERYTHING, who is most convincing to you?

Basically, most of his wins were against Baghdatis, Gonzalez, Cilic, Philipousis, Agassi, Soderling, Roddick, Safin, Hewitt, etc.
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