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Arrow Performance timeline comparison between the Big 3 by age

I wanted to compare the respective careers of the Big 3 in a slightly different way this time.
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- W/L record : 735-205 (78%)
- Titles : 63
- #1 YE : 6
- Weeks at #1 : 286
- Grand Slams : 13

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Djokovic 2011 vs Federer 2005 is a little bit debatable. Those are two of the best seasons ever. What I liked about Djokovic's year was his dominance of his all-time-great rivals and ascendancy to the top.

Federer also dominated rivals who used to trouble him: Hewitt, Nalbandian, Agassi, Safin. But they didn't finish top 3 that year, so they don't show up in your chart. And while they were all great players, they aren't quite Fedal.
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Djokovic 2011 vs Federer 2005 is a little bit debatable. Those are two of the best seasons ever. What I liked about Djokovic's year was his dominance of his all-time-great rivals and ascendancy to the top.

Federer also dominated rivals who used to trouble him: Hewitt, Nalbandian, Agassi, Safin. But they didn't finish top 3 that year, so they don't show up in your chart. And while they were all great players, they aren't quite Fedal.
Gotta just give that one to Djokovic, 3 slams is better than 2.

Other than that the most interesting to me is kinda what we already knew: Nadal is an early bloomer, Fed a late bloomer, and Djokovic kinda in between though more towards late with some early peaks, primarily his consistency that only showed up a bit later.

Will be interesting to see if Djokovic/Nadal can keep up with Fed post 30.
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Will be interesting to see if Nadal can keep up with Fed post 30.
Considering he hasn't won a HC tourney since age 27, I think we already know the answer to that.
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Considering he hasn't won a HC tourney since age 27, I think we already know the answer to that.
Nadal has been in more HC slam finals since that age than Federer in the period 2010 (post AO) through 2014 (USO). Droughts happen. That's one of the constants, the other one being MTF posters keep embarrassing themselves in the long term more often than not.
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Djokovic 2011 vs Federer 2005 is a little bit debatable. Those are two of the best seasons ever. What I liked about Djokovic's year was his dominance of his all-time-great rivals and ascendancy to the top.

Federer also dominated rivals who used to trouble him: Hewitt, Nalbandian, Agassi, Safin. But they didn't finish top 3 that year, so they don't show up in your chart. And while they were all great players, they aren't quite Fedal.
Well said

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It's surprising to see that despite Nadal fans complaining about Nadal missing time with injuries, he only played 13 fewer matches than Federer up to age 30. I suspect that if you compared tournaments played there wouldn't be much difference either.
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It's really impressive that Nole only won 4 fewer slams than Federer in OPs total (16 vs 12) despite the monumental differences in the opponents they've faced. Nole won every one of his 12 slams having to beat his biggest rivals, often times at least two of them to win a slam, whereas Federer played players who weren't greats in his wins.
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It's really impressive that Nole only won 4 fewer slams than Federer in OPs total (16 vs 12) despite the monumental differences in the opponents they've faced. Nole won every one of his 12 slams having to beat his biggest rivals, often times at least two of them to win a slam, whereas Federer played players who weren't greats in his wins.
2014-2016 were not very strong years for competition (for details see Generation Useless thread)
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It's surprising to see that despite Nadal fans complaining about Nadal missing time with injuries, he only played 13 fewer matches than Federer up to age 30. I suspect that if you compared tournaments played there wouldn't be much difference either.
Up to the age of 30:

Rafa 46 GS played (14 GS titles)
Roger 50 SG played (16 Gs titles)
Djokovic 51 GS played (12 titles)

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Rafa 49 played (15 W)
Roger 54 played (17 W)


Up to 30 winning %

Nadal 30%
Federer 32%
Djokovic 23,5%

Up to 31 winning %

Nadal 30,6%
Federer 31,15%


We'll see from now. I doubt Rafa can match or overcome Roger's slam count. Those two bad seasons in 2015 and 2016 messed up with his numbers quite a bit. At the age of 28 he had 14 majors out of 39 GS played (35,9%) while Federer had 15 out of 42 (35,7%).

No shame in it though. Federer is the GOAT.
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It's really impressive that Nole only won 4 fewer slams than Federer in OPs total (16 vs 12) despite the monumental differences in the opponents they've faced. Nole won every one of his 12 slams having to beat his biggest rivals, often times at least two of them to win a slam, whereas Federer played players who weren't greats in his wins.
2014-2016 were not very strong years for competition (for details see Generation Useless thread)
It was much stronger than playing Baghdatis, Gonzalez, Philipusis, Hewitt, Soderling, Agassi, Roddick, Safin, etc in slam finals.

Nole beat Federer who only got broken one time before the final at the following events: Wimby 14, Wimby 15, USO 15. He also beat Murray and Federer at AO 16, and Federer only lost one set before he met Nole. He also beat Wawrinka and Murray at AO 15.

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Re: Performance timeline comparison between the Big 3 by age

Safin vs Djokovic : 2-0 (+7 years)
Gonzalez vs Djokovic : 2-1 (+7 years)
Roddick vs Djokovic : 5-4 (+4 years)

Djokovic won 8 out of 12 Grand Slam finals against Murray and old Federer.
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Safin vs Djokovic : 2-0 (+7 years)
Gonzalez vs Djokovic : 2-1 (+7 years)
Roddick vs Djokovic : 5-4 (+4 years)

Djokovic won 8 out of 12 Grand Slam finals against Murray and old Federer.
You really don't need to belittle and disrespect Federer just because he almost always failed against his biggest rivals. He is still a great player and you should respect him.

So what?

Federer's H2H against Hewitt from 1999-2003: 2-7
Federer's H2H against Agassi from 1999-2003: 0-3


Gluten top 10 Nole, meanwhile, had a 6-6 H2H against Federer from March 2007-September 2010, winning twice at slams, three times at masters, and Basel. Federer had no advantage once Nole entered the top 10
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You really don't need to belittle and disrespect Federer just because he almost always failed against his biggest rivals. He is still a great player and you should respect him.

So what?

Federer's H2H against Hewitt from 1999-2003: 2-7
Federer's H2H against Agassi from 1999-2003: 0-3


Gluten top 10 Nole, meanwhile, had a 6-6 H2H against Federer from March 2007-September 2010, winning twice at slams, three times at masters, and Basel. Federer had no advantage once Nole entered the top 10
if you really want to be honest you have to mention that he was 7-16 vs nadal. also there is no reason to end in samptember 2010, novak 2.0 is only from 2011, so the real h2h in 2007-2010 is 11-6 for federrer(And 9-6 if you ignore novak pre IW 2007).
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federrer is also 6-5 aginst novak between july 2012 to feb 2015.
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