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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 08-18-2017, 09:43 PM Thread Starter
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Cincinnati court speed

This year's is the slowest in recent years. Fastest when Fed won in 2015. Today is the slowest in the whole week.

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So slow in 2014 rofl okay
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There is no way Madrid is the slowest clay masters and that MC is the fastest.
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Madrid definitely is the slowest. MC and Rome feel fast tbh
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Re: Cincinnati court speed

These stats should be taken with a pinch of salt.
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post #6 of 9 (permalink) Old 08-19-2017, 12:42 AM
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Re: Cincinnati court speed

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There is no way Madrid is the slowest clay masters and that MC is the fastest.
This is specifically court pace. Does not take into account other parameters like heat, humidity, altitude etc.
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ehhhh looks to be playing fairly quickly to me

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No way it is slower than Montreal. Taking this with a pinch of salt indeed.
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post #9 of 9 (permalink) Old 08-19-2017, 11:32 AM
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Re: Cincinnati court speed

You have to remember that the Court Pace Index is not the same as the Court Pace Rating. The Court Pace Rating is a scientific measurement of the friction/bounce height/trajectory of each surface - but this does not take into account weather conditions, altitude, etc.

However, the Court Pace Index (the statistic referenced in the OP) does take into account these external factors - it is an average speed based on Hawkeye data for each tournament each year (which is why the rating changes by day - because weather changes every day so the average speed changes daily). There is a second thing at play here though that makes the stats seem more deceptive - the particular players who are playing each tournament and making it far in those tournaments impacts the "average" speed of the courts that the CPI reports. This is why Madrid appears slower than Monte Carlo this year - the Madrid semifinalists were Thiem, Cuevas, Nadal and Djokovic who all tend to produce longer rallies. Similarly Indian Wells appeared slower than Miami because the semifinalists in Miami were on average better shotmakes/servers - Federer, Kyrgios, Fognini as opposed to Sock and Carreno Busta in Indian Wells. Similarly in Cincinnati the early exits (or withdrawls) of players like Federer, Raonic, Zverev, Del Potro, etc. impacts the average shot speed, rally length, etc. when compared to montreal which in turns impacts the Hawkeye data that the CPI is based on.
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