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Nadal and Djokovic have not surpassed Sampras

They may surpass him but right now no way:
A)Nadal: Has 15 slams vs Sampras 14. This is a very similar number. But lags in
1- YE#1: Nadal only 3 times vs 6 times Sampras.
2- Weeks at #1: Nadal only 141 weeks vs a whopping 286 for Sampras.
3- WTF: Sampras won it 5 times. Nadal has never won it.
B) Djokovic: Has 233 weeks at #1. He has 4 YE#1s and tied at 5 WTFs with Pete. He is not lagging that far behind. However, he is still at 12 slams though. If he adds one YE#1 and exceeds Sampras slam count he would be greater than Pete.

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Re: Nadal and Djokovic have not surpassed Sampras

FFS... That's worse than high school locker room. Simply looking is not enough, everyone is carrying a measuring tape.

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Re: Nadal and Djokovic have not surpassed Sampras

15-30-0 > 14-11-6
12-30-5 > 14-11-6

That's what tennis is about. Winning titles.

Rankings is just a relative measure used to show the difference between you and the rest of field.
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Re: Nadal and Djokovic have not surpassed Sampras

A difficult thing to measure; depends on how you value winning all 4 slams, slamcount, WTFs, YE nr1s, other titles value.

There are plenty of arguments that can be made either way around. I say it is not entirely decided as of yet how to rank these 3, but Djokovic is 2 slams away from definitely passing Sampras and Nadal is probably 1 slam away from doing the same.

All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
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Re: Nadal and Djokovic have not surpassed Sampras

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A difficult thing to measure; depends on how you value winning all 4 slams, slamcount, WTFs, YE nr1s, other titles value.

There are plenty of arguments that can be made either way around. I say it is not entirely decided as of yet how to rank these 3, but Djokovic is 2 slams away from definitely passing Sampras and Nadal is probably 1 slam away from doing the same.
Rafa's weak record indoors is definitely a big black mark against him, but his astonishing number of Masters 1000s more than compensates, imo. Plus he does have one more Slam. The imbalance in Rafa's Slam record (10 out of 15 at Roland Garros) is more than evened out by his achieving the career Grand Slam, something Pete never came close to doing. I'd say that Rafa surprasses Pete by a smidge.

Novak is still an eensy bit back because of the 14 to 12 Slams. But if Novak ever gets to 14, then he is a clear step ahead of Pete because Novak achieved the career Grand Slam plus four in a row, not to mention his much higher total of Masters 1000s.
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Rafa's weak record indoors is definitely a big black mark against him, but his astonishing number of Masters 1000s more than compensates, imo. Plus he does have one more Slam. The imbalance in Rafa's Slam record (10 out of 15 at Roland Garros) is more than evened out by his achieving the career Grand Slam, something Pete never came close to doing. I'd say that Rafa surprasses Pete by a smidge.

Novak is still an eensy bit back because of the 14 to 12 Slams. But if Novak ever gets to 14, then he is a clear step ahead of Pete because Novak achieved the career Grand Slam plus four in a row, not to mention his much higher total of Masters 1000s.
Rafa is better indoors than Pete was on clay and Sampras got 12 out of 14 slams in the 2 very fast slams (especially in his days) of Wimbledon and Usopen. It is quite uneven on his side aswell.

I personally rank Nadal a bit higher than Sampras, but I think he needs to win one more slam to make it an objective truth.

All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
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Rafa's weak record indoors is definitely a big black mark against him, but his astonishing number of Masters 1000s more than compensates, imo. Plus he does have one more Slam. The imbalance in Rafa's Slam record (10 out of 15 at Roland Garros) is more than evened out by his achieving the career Grand Slam, something Pete never came close to doing. I'd say that Rafa surprasses Pete by a smidge.

Novak is still an eensy bit back because of the 14 to 12 Slams. But if Novak ever gets to 14, then he is a clear step ahead of Pete because Novak achieved the career Grand Slam plus four in a row, not to mention his much higher total of Masters 1000s.
I am hesitant in including the number of masters.

There were/are 3 or 4 clay Masters while there was/is zero grass master. I don't think it's quite fair using that measure especially when comparing clay GOAT against grass ATG.
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The black mark against Sampras is that he was completely useless on clay.

The black mark against Nadal is zero YEC title. I'm sure Nadal fans disagree, but it is a very important measure. How could you not able to claim a title held annually participated only by top 8 players?
Every single ATG has won it, every world's #1 with multiple slams have won it. Except for Nadal.
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Re: Nadal and Djokovic have not surpassed Sampras

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15-30-0 > 14-11-6
12-30-5 > 14-11-6

That's what tennis is about. Winning titles.

Rankings is just a relative measure used to show the difference between you and the rest of field.
And titles aren't affected by the strength of the field??
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Rafa is better indoors than Pete was on clay and Sampras got 12 out of 14 slams in the 2 very fast slams (especially in his days) of Wimbledon and Usopen. It is quite uneven on his side aswell.

I personally rank Nadal a bit higher than Sampras, but I think he needs to win one more slam to make it an objective truth.
One of the major reasons Rafa is above Pete is his incredible record on clay. Being considered the clay GOAT is unique achievement.
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Re: Nadal and Djokovic have not surpassed Sampras

Yes,they have

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Re: Nadal and Djokovic have not surpassed Sampras

I'd say they have equaled him for sure, and it's now personal preference whether someone prefers this or that.

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Re: Nadal and Djokovic have not surpassed Sampras

Why is everyone discounting: Weeks at#1, YE#1s and WTFs?
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Re: Nadal and Djokovic have not surpassed Sampras

Its Funny how Sampras never won 3 slams in a year.
Nadal: 2010
Djokovic: 2011, 2015
Federer: 2004, 2006, 2007
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