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Who's the best/greater on grass between Rafa,Nole and Murray

interesting stats so far:

Murray: W/L on grass:85%
Titles:8
H2H on grass vs Nadal: 0-3 , H2H vs Nole:2-0
Wimbledon finals: 3 , Wimbledon Titles:2
Rafa: W/L on grass: 77%
Titles:4
H2H vs Nole: 2-1
Wimbledon Finals:5, Wimbledon Titles: 2
Nole: W/L on grass: 81%
Titles:3
Wimbledon Titles:3 Wimbledon Finals:4

Absolute peak level for me: Nadal>Murray>Djokovic
Nadal cause he competed well against peak Federer in 07/08 , whereas Djoko beat past peak Fed in 14/15 , bur you can argue that Djoko at his peak 11 beat Rafa in Wimbledon Final

Average level for Me: Murray>Djokovic>Nadal
Average level of Rafa is the Worst with 4 early rounds losses in 12-15 Wimbledon

Against each other level: impossible to tell, according to H2H, Rafa>Murray but Rafa<Djokovic and Murray>Djokovic it's like Rock-Paper-Scissors


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Re: Who's the best/greater on grass between Rafa,Nole and Murray

Murray is the best on grass but he didn't achieve his current level early on, he's only been since 2012.

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Murray

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The OPs logic and reasoning is so flawed Its cringeworthy. But he also said in another thread that he hates Nole so I can't take anything he says seriously to begin with

With that said, nobody beats the Nole in the Wimby 2015 final.
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Nadal has the highest peak among the 3 I think, but also the poorest form. Nadal at Wimbledon 2008 will defeat both Murray and Djokovic.

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Novak then Andy then Rafa untill one of these last two get another wimby title, they'll move a spot.

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Re: Who's the best/greater on grass between Rafa,Nole and Murray

Matchups on grass:

- Djokovic beats Nadal

- Nadal beats Murray

- Murray beats Djokovic
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Based on what, Murray playing a ghost in the 2013 Wimby final? Nole played nothing like himself. Not to mention Nole's serve became amazing under Becker, which helped him win Wimby.

Nole from Wimby 2015 crushes Murray.
Murray beat Djokovic at Olympics 2012.

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It could've gone either way.

Noles game became far more suited for grass with Becker. His movement on grass improved so much as well.
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Re: Who's the best/greater on grass between Rafa,Nole and Murray

Peak: Djokovic > Nadal > Murray
Average: Djokovic > Murray > Nadal

Maybe Murray is aided a little by having home advantage at Wimbledon but that's really hard to quantify.
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Nadal and Murray have met 3 times at Wimbledon.
Murray has won a total of ONE set
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It could've gone either way.

Noles game became far more suited for grass with Becker. His movement on grass improved so much as well.
Only 2 grass matches played between Murray and Djokovic so it's too small of a sample size to actually see the dynamics of the matchup on grass.

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Re: Who's the best/greater on grass between Rafa,Nole and Murray

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The OPs logic and reasoning is so flawed Its cringeworthy. But he also said in another thread that he hates Nole so I can't take anything he says seriously to begin with

With that said, nobody beats the Nole in the Wimby 2015 final.
Oh please, he struggled against a 34-year old Federer and should've lost the first set. If he had played any version of 2005-2007 Federer, he would've lost in straight sets. Back to the OP's question, probably 2008 Nadal has the highest grass peak of the three.


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Correction: Federer should've been beaten in straights

Federer only got broken once before the final in Wimby 2015, ditto for Wimby 2014. Federer actually was far more suited for grass in 14-15 than he was at any point prior in the modern game.

Grass from 05-07 was played completely differently than it is today and the competition improved. Hence why Federer started losing to many players after 07

That servebot Federer was playing his peak grass tennis. Don't take my word for it though, take it straight from Federer's mouth
Do you honestly believe what you're saying or are you just trolling? Federer's serve has always been great on grass, but in 2005-2007 his baseline game was at its absolute peak. He could hit FH winners that seemed impossible he never would've faltered like he did in the 2015 final. Post-prime Federer schooled Prime Djokovic at Wimbledon 2012, so what do you think Federer's peak version would've done to him? The only reason Djokovic won in 2014-15 was because Fed had no baseline game or because Djokovic outlasted him. As for Nadal, yes his serve is weak but his ROS isn't terrible and his deep groundstrokes would've been too much for Murray & Djokovic.
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There you go again, using 05-07 as a measuring stick to determine how Federer would've done in the modern game. Smh. Everyone was hitting flatter, there was way less baseline tennis, the players were nowhere near as fast or as good of movers or returners or complete players. Not to mention the game became far more powerful too. If you don't think so, watch YouTube of Wimby 2009 final then compare it to the Wimby 2015 final.
And the 2016 final compared to the 2009 final?
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