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ACE easy point?

Takes more skill to hit an ACE than forehand winner. why do people think that big servers like Ljubicic and roddick just throw the ball up and swing, its not that easy, Karlovic might do that but well he sucks.

if doing it was so easy, everyone would do it. not everyone can hit the corner they want with 135mph serve.

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Re: ACE easy point?

Of course not, it's a tremendous skill, but as I said recently in another one of those interminable Sampras </> Federer debating threads, when you manage to reproduce it so often, and because it's so quick, I think your average tennis watcher tends to think you can pull them out of the hat at will whenever you need them. Even that journalist in Shanghai asked Roddick whether he was going to continue his winning tactic of serving a lot of aces in his next match, to which an amused Roddick replied that he couldn't exactly guarantee hitting aces every time.

BTW George (I prefer Jerry, I wouldn't want to confuse you with DubyaHitler), I hate to tell you this, but if you're going to stress to everyone how big a skill it is to serve aces, then you're also obliged to concede that:

Roddick doesn't suck

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I disagree that hitting an ace takes more skill than hitting a forehand winner. When serving you start out standing still with ball in hand. You are able to then decide before-hand where you are going to serve and whether you are going hit a flat, slice or kick serve. On the other hand, to hit a forehand winner you must deal what your opponent has hit to you, you have to move--sometimes clear across court to hit it, deal with whatever spin your opponent has put on the ball, often have to change the direction of the ball, and most importanly have to hit a moving ball--not just one you lifted into the air. The reason you often see more forehand winners than aces in matches is that forehand winners can be hit to anywhere in the court where-as serves most be hit to a confined space behind which your opponent already happens to be standing. But just because you often see players hitting more forehand winners than aces does not mean hitting aces requires more skill.

When hitting a serve you have complete say in what you are going to do. When hitting a forehand much depends on what kind of shot your opponent has hit. There are far more variables involved in hitting a forehand winner compared to an ace. Finally, there are more forehands hit in a match by far than serves which is why there are more forehand winners on average in a match than aces. But just because the stats say there are more forehand winners doesn't make them easier to hit.

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Re: ACE easy point?

I'm not sure I agree. The guys that hit a lot of aces tend to be tall and strong, which isn't really a skill so much as it's a physical gift. But person with skill but not a lot of physical gifts (like Olivier Rochus) can hit a good number of forehand winners. Forehand winners are more impressive than aces, in my opinion.
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I'm not sure I agree. The guys that hit a lot of aces tend to be tall and strong, which isn't really a skill so much as it's a physical gift. But person with skill but not a lot of physical gifts (like Olivier Rochus) can hit a good number of forehand winners. Forehand winners are more impressive than aces, in my opinion.
as i said its not all about hitting it hard. or being strong. Roddick is smaller than Karlovic and he can serve harder.

ball placement, you have so much more space to hit a FH winner, you have the whole court and 1/4 of court to hit an ace.

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as i said its not all about hitting it hard. or being strong. Roddick is smaller than Karlovic and he can serve harder.

ball placement, you have so much more space to hit a FH winner, you have the whole court and 1/4 of court to hit an ace.
But Roddick is probably stronger than Karlovic. Karlovic is like a stick figure. Karlovic's ability comes solely from his ability to hit down from such an incredible angle.

Anyway, smaller players can place the ball well, too, but because they don't have the same muscles or height, they're at a disadvantage in terms of power and angle to the court.
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Re: ACE easy point?

What's gotten into you, Ducky?

First you have your cousin IL giving Roddick tips on when to hit smashes and now saying that Roddick is a good server?!

My word, that citizenship thing is really turning you red, white and blue inside.
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Re: ACE easy point?

The serve is the most unique aspect of a player's game, and the most difficult stroke to perfect. Those with huge serves that produce many aces should be praised for such ability. They may be gifted with proper height and strength, which some people may view as cheap, but no one seems to mind praising Roger for those uncanny abilities that God seemed to bless him with. I said this before, Roger may have worked hard for what he has right now, but there is no way that some of the things he is able to do on the court is simply the result of practice. It that were the case, we'd see many more players able to replicate his court sense and shots.

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Re: ACE easy point?

in a match most people, with the possible exceptions of the really big servers, hit more winners with their ground strokes than with aces. ljubicic hit 30 aces against nalbandian and 31 other winners and he is a big server.

when you go for a forehand winner you have the whole of the court to go for and you can be standing anywhere on the court. if you hit a winner from around the service line that is much easier than an ace. but if you hit a winner from way behind the baseline or after running across the court that is more difficult than hitting an ace.
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Re: ACE easy point?

The serve is the only stroke in tennis where you hit the ball before the opponent. That makes it much easier to hit consistently because it is highly predictable.
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I said this before, Roger may have worked hard for what he has right now, but there is no way that some of the things he is able to do on the court is simply the result of practice. It that were the case, we'd see many more players able to replicate his court sense and shots.
Perfecting the serve also requires a lot of hard work, it doesn't just come naturally. I've read somewhere that Goran Ivanisevic used to hit hundreds and hundreds of serves per training session. That's why he was able to hit corner after corner with great speed. Of course, if he wasn't so tall, all that training probably wouldn't have paid off, but tall players have disadvantages in movement and (often) reflexes. It sounds logical to me to focus on the very skill that would give you the greatest advantage considering your natural attributes.
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Re: ACE easy point?

Does anything you post ever not relate to Ljubo, Ducky?

Sure, serving well is a big skill...but the taller guys have an obvious advantage in winning cheap points. I think the skill is more in being able to work a point...
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