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German & Holland: what's going on?

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Germany 1993

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ATP - Top 100 ranking at the end of the year.
2 - Stich, Michael
11 - Becker, Boris
31 - Goellner, Marc-Kevin
58 - Karbacher, Bernd
70 - Braasch, Karsten
73 - Prinosil, David
94 - Steeb, Carl-Uwe

Germany 2006

Davis Cup: only playoffs

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11 - Haas, Tommy
48 - Kiefer, Nicolas
57 - Mayer, Florian
58 - Kohlschreiber, Philipp
62 - Becker, Benjamin
79 - Phau, Bjorn
83 - Greul, Simon
97 - Schuettler, Rainer

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The Netherlands 1993

Davis Cup: quarterfinalist

ATP - Top 100 ranking at the end of the year.
15 - Krajicek, Richard
42 - Haarhuis, Paul
53 - Siemerink, Jan
62 - Eltingh, Jacco

The Netherlands 2006

Davis Cup: playoffs (and defeat!)

ATP - Top 100 ranking at the end of the year.
84 - Sluiter, Raemon

I remember many years ago when Haas and Kiefer had been players like Becker or Stich. They didn't do expectations and today both Haas and Kiefer are "veterans". The only young and promising German player - Zverev is now No. 155 in the world. Similar situation in the Netherlands - only young and promising Haase is 163... But their peers like Murray or Djokovic are in Top 20!

Was ist los?
Wat gebeurt?

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I remember many years ago when Haas and Kiefer had been players like Becker or Stich. They didn't do expectations and today both Haas and Kiefer are "veterans". The only young and promising German player - Zverev is now No. 155 in the world. Similar situation in the Netherlands - only young and promising Haase is 163... But their peers like Murray or Djokovic are in Top 20!

Was ist los?
Wat gebeurt?
It's true that Germany doesn't have a ton of prospects. Andreas Beck could still work out, but he probably doesn't have top-tier potential.

Robin Haase is absolutely not the only young and promising player from the Netherlands. Thiemo de Bakker is a fast-rising former junior #1. He's currently the 8th highest ranked player born in 1988, but he'll move up higher, he just hasn't played that many events. I don't think Igor Sijsling is quite in the same class as Haase or de Bakker, but he's also worth watching.
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Robin Haase is absolutely not the only young and promising player from the Netherlands. Thiemo de Bakker is a fast-rising former junior #1. He's currently the 8th highest ranked player born in 1988, but he'll move up higher, he just hasn't played that many events.
I know that de Bakker (No. 468) is promising but four days younger Del Potro is No. 93. Usually age "18" is a breakthrough in career of best players in the world. Athough could be different: Krajicek at 18 was only "129".

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I know that de Bakker (No. 468) is promising but four days younger Del Potro is No. 93. Usually age "18" is a breakthrough in career of best players in the world. Athough could be different: Krajicek at 18 was only "129".
It's always great to have success that early, but it's not the only path to success. Some guys don't fully physical mature until a bit later and some guys stick around on the juniors circuit a bit longer. De Bakker falls under the latter category. It's not like he's been floundering in futures - he just hasn't played in enough to boost his ranking as much as some of the other guys.
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Wat gebeurt?
That would be: Wat gebeurt er? or Wat is er aan de hand?
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That would be: Wat gebeurt er? or Wat is er aan de hand?
Thanks I would like to study Dutch cause the Netherlands is my favourite foreign country

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I surely wish my country had 8 players in the top 100, 2 players in the top 50 like Germany does.

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I surely wish my country had 8 players in the top 100, 2 players in the top 50 like Germany does.
Sadly, I don't think Niue has much of an up-and-coming tennis program.
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I surely wish my country had 8 players in the top 100, 2 players in the top 50 like Germany does.
Sure Anyway German tennis has a huge crisis after great 90s with Becker, Stich in the forefront of, but also with Graf and Huber. They all were prominent players. Germany had a big events like Munich (Grand Slam Cup), Frankfurt ("Masters") or Stuttgart (TMS). Now, only memory remains.

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Sadly, I don't think Niue has much of an up-and-coming tennis program.
Not Niue

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Sure Anyway German tennis has a huge crisis after great 90s with Becker, Stich in the forefront of, but also with Graf and Huber. They all were prominent players. Germany had a big events like Munich (Grand Slam Cup), Frankfurt ("Masters") or Stuttgart (TMS). Now, only memory remains.
Australia's case is worse IMO. Only Hewitt in the top 100 today, 10 years ago they had:

Woodforde (27)
Philippoussis (30)
Stoltenberg (31)
Woodbridge (36)
Stolle (58)
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Fromberg (76)
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Australia's case is worse IMO. Only Hewitt in the top 100 today, 10 years ago they had:

Woodforde (27)
Philippoussis (30)
Stoltenberg (31)
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Stolle (58)
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Yes, many countries have similar problems nowadays. I think Sweden as well. Where are successors of such a great players like Borg, Wilander, Edberg or even if Enqvist?...

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Yes, many countries have similar problems nowadays. I think Sweden as well. Where are successors of such a great players like Borg, Wilander, Edberg or even if Enqvist?...
Although the current Swedish generation doesn't really compare indeed to the past ones, can't overlook the fact that 2 of the 3 main players have been very seriously injured in critical points of their careers (that would be Vinciguerra and J. Johansson).

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Although the current Swedish generation doesn't really compare indeed to the past ones, can't overlook the fact that 2 of the 3 main players have been very seriously injured in critical points of their careers (that would be Vinciguerra and J. Johansson).
Yes, but for example in 1989 retired at only 21, super-talented Kent Carlsson. After all Sweden had still many players at the end of the year high in the ATP-ranking: Edberg was 3rd, Wilander (12), Gunnarsson (29) Gustafsson (34), Svensson (41), Kroon (46), Pernfors (48).
Today only Soderling is in Top 50... scarcely No. 25

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Yes, but for example in 1989 retired at only 21, super-talented Kent Carlsson. After all Sweden had still many players at the end of the year high in the ATP-ranking: Edberg was 3rd, Wilander (12), Gunnarsson (29) Gustafsson (34), Svensson (41), Kroon (46), Pernfors (48).
Today only Soderling is in Top 50... scarcely No. 25
They certainly had more depth and quality back then.

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