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Laver says there is no GOAT

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NOT this shit again (and again X infinity).

There can NEVER be a GOAT. Because nobody has a time machine, we just don't know what will happen in the future. BUT - there can be a best ever. Best ever means the best UP UNTIL THAT POINT IN TIME. Just like - and I've posted this before - say a groundbreaking great car comes out that is just that much better than any other car ever produced UP UNTIL THAT POINT IN TIME. Maybe not the best analogy I know, but I think people get the idea.

And since this will DOUBTLESSLY devolve into a Federer/Nadal "best ever" thread - I personally think Federer is the best ever. That's my opinion, I offer it up without being asked. The overall consensus among most fans/critics/ex players is that he's the best ever. And this is as close as we have to an overall opinion. OF COURSE some will disagree. People don't ever ALL agree on 1 specific thing EVER. Not now, not in history, not in the future.

So yeah, so be it. Amen and all that jazz. Cue the rabid Nadal fanboys and all the rest...
 
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Highly pedantic. There is nobody on earth who calls a player the GOAT who thinks it includes future players, "Greatest of all Time" does not include time which does not yet exist.
 
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#7 ·
Laver never mentioned there was no BOAT, so Djokovic is still the BOAT right? Kappa
 
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Laver is correct. Of course there is no GOAT. The game is changing and evolving over time and you can't compare achievements of previous generations with new ones.

However there is the BOAT and we all know who currently hold this title - Novak of course. This really can't be denied and is not up for discussion.
 
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However there is the BOAT and we all know who currently hold this title - Novak of course. This really can't be denied and is not up for discussion.
Couldn't be anymore obvious. How else does he collect all these fish?
 
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If anything, people should just follow their favourite tennis player(s) and that's it. Whether we're talking GOAT or GOOG (greatest of own generation), people's opinions are gonna clash.
 
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"It's easier today to play tennis," he added.

Basically: "Fuck you all."
 
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how can people say Djokovic is GOAT??? , he is behind sampras,rafa,Roger in terms of slams and has not managed to made calendar GS in 2015/2016 despite weak competition. He doesn't have masters 1000 record anymore, tied with Rafa, not as many weeks or season number than Sampras or Federer and a awful losing record in us open finals being 2-5 + 1-3 in FO

What is Djokovic waiting to win slams if he is really the GOAT???
Quantitative/statistics:not the GOAT
Qualitatively,aesthetics,peak level: he is not the goat.

the grass court game/clay court game/indoors game: he is not the goat, weak volley and bad smash, just hitting flat shots and exhausting mentally and physically his opponents is just not enough to be the goat.

he is the 5th best of all time which is already really good.

There are way too many holes on his tennis resume to be considered goat
 
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^ None of what you said is true. Just your own biased opinions that have no value.

I can right now show you many quotes from current and ex-players and coaches who all say Nole is the best player of all time.

Nadal said he never played with someone with as high a peak level as Nole.. in fact he said Nole has the highest level he has have seen. One example

Marion Bartoli, who is a huge Fedtard, said Nole has a higher peak and is better than Federer

Plus many more.

Sorry but you just have to open your eyes to see the truth
 
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nolevolent:you are speaking for yourself and are unable to give facts. Nadal said Roger is best of history and best of history on grass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL5KNHXC7r4
just watch this : Laver,Agassi,courrier,sampras and vast majority of tennis specialists say he is the GOAT. Even Becker now says it

Unless Novak wins 6 more slams he will never be the GOAT, he only has the tie with positive H2H over Rafa and ROger. Yeah it will come in play if he wins 18 slams and have to pray roger doesn't win another legenary wimbledon title for 8th time.
Djokovic found ways to lose to someone 2 years older than him in 2 slams finals in 15/16 without having to play peak Fed/Nadal.
 
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It's easy to call someone the GOAT with the most slams.Anyone can do it. Even I can say Federer has the most slams.

But it's another matter entirely when you call someone the best without being the most accomplished, which is exactly what Nadal and many others have done.

I'll give you the quotes in a sec. Hold on
 
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These are just some of them. There are way more than this:


"I don't know anybody who's ever played tennis like this. Since I know this sport I've never seen somebody playing at this level."

- Nadal

"Djokovic is the best player ever. When Rafa was No. 1, he was very far away from Djokovic's current level. Federer is second after the Serb."

- Feliciano Lopez

"Djokovic is the true GOAT"

- Ivo Karlovic

"The best player ever? I for one believe so."

- Richard Branson

"My eyes have never seen anybody play tennis better than Djokovic"

- Brad Gilbert

"My heart goes for Roger, but head will go for Novak. If you put both of them in their best, Novak is better than Roger."

-Bartoli

"When it comes to GOAT, Djokovic is Federer's equal"

-Laver
 
#29 ·
at the moment if i were you or novak i would just think of catching sampras/nadal that are above him, before thinking to Fed.

Because if he loses again in RG, losing his 4 slams, history will be made.
Being the GOAT is about winning big titles again and again, not just at your peak but also after, everybody can play well at 24/25 full of energy, thinking you are gonna live for eternity. Let's see how he does after 30
 
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Djokovic has just 67 titles sor far and 1 this year at just 30 years old , this is too skinny. The best of the games Borg,Sampras,Mcenroe,Laver,Becker,Agassi,Chris Evert,Martina Navratilova,Serena have never said Djokovic is the best of all time. He is not creative/genius enough, he has a boring/robotic game, even wawrinka is more spectacular.

Djokovic still has chances of being the best, but he needs to wake up fast with or without Pepe and gluten free food.
Lots of homework to do before he retires
 
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Djokovic is so bad he is not even able to compete with Next Gen Kyrgios and Zverev, being 0-4 so far.
bad quality of slice, bad quality of spin on clay, bad smash and volley, bad when windy conditions, average serve, way too many weaknesses in his game to be considered GOAT, until he doesn't win 2-3 more slams he is not in the conversation anymore.

Laver is a clown who will say Nadal is GOAT after FO if rafa wins then Will say Roger is GOAT if he wins wimbledon.
He is inconsistent in his statements so far
 
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Are you a child or senile? Amazing that a player with such a lousy game has won 12 slams, 30 Masters- 8 of them on clay- spent 223 weeks at #1, ended 4 years at #1 and has a winning H-H against Federer and Nadal. Most players on tour would love to have accomplished half as much as Novak has till now.
 
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