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Cilic and Federer didn't retire once in over 2000 matches

So there would be no mistakes:

Walkover(w/o) - to withdraw before the match.

Retire (RET)- to withdraw during a match



These two just don't give up if it gets tough. Remember that Cilic was getting destroyed by Djokovic in the USO SF, but he still didn't retire but chose to play it out.

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Re: Cilic and Federer didn't retire once in over 2000 matches

I think it's more about style of play than levels of commitment. Some players have a style which is far less likely to cause injury than others.

I don't get the taboo over retiring anyway. If you know you are injured you almost certainly can't win, why bother playing on and risking aggravating the injury?
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Re: Cilic and Federer didn't retire once in over 2000 matches

That's indeed an impressive stat. Guess Federer in general is not very injury prone with his play style, which certainly helps.
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I think it's more about style of play than levels of commitment. Some players have a style which is far less likely to cause injury than others.

I don't get the taboo over retiring anyway. If you know you are injured you almost certainly can't win, why bother playing on and risking aggravating the injury?

It is about respect to his opponents. IMO every player goes to the court to play and it means he is enough fit to play. If he /she break her leg or something really bad then he/she could retires. I have seen Fed with bad back playing but he has not retired during the match. So he prefers to lose than retires.
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Re: Cilic and Federer didn't retire once in over 2000 matches

RAFA has played 1019 matches, not 1066. This is an inaccurate thread
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Re: Cilic and Federer didn't retire once in over 2000 matches

If a hypothetical player went their entire career without so much as a minor injury, they would almost certainly have 0 retirements and w/o's. I'd say it's 95% injury frequency, 5% injury management (players have slight variations in how much they risk aggravating injuries to try and win a match). Interesting to compare retirements vs W/Os though. Most players have more retirements, I guess because W/O's tend to come after finishing/winning a match while hampered (which doesn't happen that often).
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It is about respect to his opponents. IMO every player goes to the court to play and it means he is enough fit to play. If he /she break her leg or something really bad then he/she could retires. I have seen Fed with bad back playing but he has not retired during the match. So he prefers to lose than retires.
So he risks making his injury worse so he can show respect for his opponent? Screw that. If my opponent would rather me aggravate my injuries and lose than retire and let him win then he's not deserving of my respect.
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Re: Cilic and Federer didn't retire once in over 2000 matches

Which 2 and 3 players got the W/O from Cilic and Federer?

Federer - Djokovic (14 WTF), ???, ???
Cilic - ???, ???

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Which 2 and 3 players got the W/O from Cilic and Federer?

Federer - Djokovic (14 WTF), ???, ???
Cilic - ???, ???
Fed - Blake (Paris 2008 QF), Tsonga (Doha 12 SF)

Cilic - Murray (Queens 11), de Schepper (WIM 13)
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Wow amazing stats...I saw on an interview where Federer said in a passing comment that he often play through pain and discomfort than take MTO... so if this is his philosophy then it goes to say he wouldn't likely want to retire during a match for any niggles either...

Only recently where he thought that he has played on the tour long enough to give himself a little leeway to take MTO when he needs it, as everyone else seems to afford themselves to.
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Re: Cilic and Federer didn't retire once in over 2000 matches

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RAFA has played 1019 matches, not 1066. This is an inaccurate thread
Actually he's played 1021 official ATP matches. You forgot to include his two matches in Rome which are not counted in the ATP site yet.

I assume the OP was probably using TennisAbstract which counts Challenger results. Hence the difference.

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Re: Cilic and Federer didn't retire once in over 2000 matches

I did a quick search on wins by opponent's retirement/WO for the big 4:

Federer: 17+10 (27)
Nadal: 21+8 (29)
Djokovic: 24+11 (31)
Murray: 21+8 (29)

It's surprising to see Federer is the one with less matches won as a result of a retirement/WO from his rivals, even though he's the one who has played by far the most matches among the big 4.

Djokovic has been the luckiest in this department.

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