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Without Federer...

His 9 slams would most probably won by these players (only the 7
players defeated by Fed enroute to his victory at a particular slam can
be considered):

W 03: Roddick
AO 04: Safin
W 04: Roddick
USO 04: Agassi/Hewitt
W 05: Roddick
USO 05: Hewitt/Agassi
AO 06: Baghdatis
W 06: Nadal
USO 06: Roddick


Thus the new slam count for these players are:


Roddick = 1+4 = 5
Safin = 2+1 = 3
Hewitt = 2+1 = 3
Nadal = 2+1 = 3
Agassi = 8+1 = 9
Baghdatis = 0+1 = 1


We are talking about a Sampras and Borg reincarnation at the same era,
plus two more multiple slam winners in Hewitt and Safin. Not to mention
Agassi moving out of the 8-slam group, and another player from the
latest generation making their mark, making it the batle of 3
generations of tennis. I guess Federer ruined the whole thing.
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Re: Without Federer...

not only is this topic really depressing (since three of those players are some of my favorites) but it's also pointless considering we really don't know that those players could not have been beaten by someone else (however unlikely that may seem now)


totally off-topic tho...why have you all of sudden decided to post...you've been on MTF forever, vbetting even...and only two posts? I would say welcome, but that is rather superfluous.

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Re: Without Federer...

Bad bad Federer!
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Re: Without Federer...

Unlike others, I have not been given the gift of time, hence not able to actively involve in discussions here. Only today out of nowhere I have some spare time
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Re: Without Federer...

Totally irrelevant as we don't know how the draws would have looked like through the rounds without Fed. Plus dynamics in top players psyche (domination, confidence) would have been very different without Fed, nobody really knows what the tour would look like. Fore example maybe Roddick would have even more slams than what you say with already two more Wimbies under his belt and possibly a number 1 ranking....

"I asked a bloke in the front row if he liked the serve-and-volley stuff," said Rafter. "He said he did but asked if he was going to get to see any rallies. 'Not today, mate,' I told him."
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Re: Without Federer...

I think the US Open 06 would have gone to Blake.
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Re: Without Federer...

Out of the 7 players Fed beat en route to his victory at a particular slam, you just chose one of them based on head to head, form at that moment etc. to come up with possible winners of that particular slam. Any other players are not eligible since they were beaten by some other player at some point in the tournament. Of course you could argue for different player to win the major, as long as it is one of the 7 players beaten by Fed.
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I think the US Open 06 would have gone to Blake.
Come on, Blake?
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Out of the 7 players Fed beat en route to his victory at a particular slam, you just chose one of them based on head to head, form at that moment etc. to come up with possible winners of that particular slam. Any other players are not eligible since they were beaten by some other player at some point in the tournament. Of course you could argue for different player to win the major, as long as it is one of the 7 players beaten by Fed.
But leaving the number one seed to another player would change a lot of things from the begining IMO, it is not just Fed disapearing before the match where he beat another favorite, so this is not accurate...

"I asked a bloke in the front row if he liked the serve-and-volley stuff," said Rafter. "He said he did but asked if he was going to get to see any rallies. 'Not today, mate,' I told him."
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Totally irrelevant as we don't know how the draws would have looked like through the rounds without Fed. Plus dynamics in top players psyche (domination, confidence) would have been very different without Fed, nobody really knows what the tour would look like. Fore example maybe Roddick would have even more slams than what you say with already two more Wimbies under his belt and possibly a number 1 ranking....
I'm trying to minimise the number of variables as much as possible, hence the above is the most direct/simple outcome if we want to speculate what happen without Federer.
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His 9 slams would most probably won by these players (only the 7
players defeated by Fed enroute to his victory at a particular slam can
be considered):

W 03: Roddick
AO 04: Safin
W 04: Roddick
USO 04: Agassi/Hewitt
W 05: Roddick
USO 05: Hewitt/Agassi

AO 06: Baghdatis
W 06: Nadal
USO 06: Roddick

Thus the new slam count for these players are:

Roddick = 1+4 = 5
Safin = 2+1 = 3
Hewitt = 2+1 = 3
Nadal = 2+1 = 3
Agassi = 8+1 = 9
Baghdatis = 0+1 = 1

I guess Federer ruined the whole thing.
Susuteko~> you`re obviously a Roddick fan-- do you seriously think Roddick would have won 5-Slams if it were`t for Roger


AO 04: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in Rd4 [tough 4-setter]
W 04: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in QF [tough 4-setter]
USO 04: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in F [broke Hewitt`s 16-match win streak]
W 05: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in SF [closer than the F with A Rod]
USO 05: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in SF [tough 4-setter]

>>>>-->>
Therefore HEWITT would have 2 + 5 Slams = 7-Slams total
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On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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That will be the last victory of Rafa for quite some time.. With his joke mentality and pathetic game, I hope the disgusting player loses every single match next season. He's disgraceful. He should just retire. He's a joke.
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Susuteko~> you`re obviously a Roddick fan-- do you seriously think Roddick would have won 5-Slams if it were`t for Roger


AO 04: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in Rd4 [tough 4-setter]
W 04: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in QF [tough 4-setter]
USO 04: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in F [broke Hewitt`s 16-match win streak]
W 05: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in SF [closer than the F with A Rod]
USO 05: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in SF [tough 4-setter]

>>>>-->>
Therefore HEWITT would have 2 + 5 Slams = 7-Slams total
As a matter of fact, I have never been a fan of roddick, and at some point I think I will never will be. More like hate actually. However after endless beating by roger time and again, I guess I have developed some soft spot for him. Of course when he start to win majors again, I will be ready to hate him again. But at the moment, I'm sorry he will get beaten by fed again next week at least once.

As far as Hewitt goes, I don't think he can beat Roddick in Wimbledon, and the two times he lost to Fed at USO, so does Agassi, and you know it's hard to pick when Hewitt meet Agassi. So I give him half and half for a total of 1 extra major. As for Ao 04 he was beaten in R4, too far away from the final, so he could loose at any point after that. Easier to pick Safin.
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Susuteko~> you`re obviously a Roddick fan-- do you seriously think Roddick would have won 5-Slams if it were`t for Roger


AO 04: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in Rd4 [tough 4-setter]
W 04: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in QF [tough 4-setter]
USO 04: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in F [broke Hewitt`s 16-match win streak]
W 05: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in SF [closer than the F with A Rod]
USO 05: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in SF [tough 4-setter]

>>>>-->>
Therefore HEWITT would have 2 + 5 Slams = 7-Slams total
I also think Hewitt Would have won more grand slams if it werent for Federer.
Roddick had never beaten Hewitt in any grand slam tournament before, except the 06 Usopen. So without Federer, Hewitt probably would have won more slams.
But without Federer, probably everything would be different, so it would be quite hard to know who would have won more grand slams.
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