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Laver is the GOAT. Period.

Won calendar year grand slams twice in 1962 and 69. Agassi is thought of highly especially since he won not even a calendar year slam but a career slam. That alone should show just what an achievement it is to do it once but what legendary stuff it is to do it twice.

Add three additional slams to Laver for a grand total of 11 tying Borg. Only Sampras and Emerson have more at 14 and 12. Now consider that he achieved this second calendar slam after being prohibited for SIX YEARS from the majors because he turned pro. That's 24 majors he missed. Laver DEFINITELY would have won at minimum just three majors he'd be tied with Sampras. Considering he won back to back calendar slams when he was able to play, you'd have to figure that number realistically be at least 6 giving him 17 majors. For perspective, if Federer (who is now on a similar tear that Laver was on) had missed just the last year, he'd only have six majors.

It might be fun to live in the moment of Fed's greatness but let's give Laver his due, people. The debate is over until Fed wins at least 17 majors. Laver is the greatest player of all time.
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If Federer wins RG and more slams than Sampras the story is over - he is the greatest. Prohibitet bla bla from the other hand those were very different times, certainly less competitive and less varied surface-wise Laver is one of the greatest but Federer can surpas him
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Laver's 1962 Grand Slam, while certainly remarkable, should not be rated on the level that a modern-day Grand Slam would be, since the very best players in the world tended to play on the pro tour and not in the majors at that time. For this reason it can be misleading to talk about numbers of majors won in pre-Open Era careers.

His 1969 achievement can more easily be considered by modern standards, however: very impressive.

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if Federer wins Roland Garros, thats it. Hes the GOAT.
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Sampras is the GOAT, at least 'till now.
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Lord Almighty. Here we go again.

When are people going to understand that EVERY generation has a GOAT.

Laver
Borg
Sampras
Federer

In 10 years, somebody's gonna come along and this WHOLE discussion is be
"blah blah is greater than Federer. Can you BELIEVE it?"
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Laver's '62 GS was against amatuers. Both Laver's GS's were played on 2 surfaces, grass or clay. Finally, the depth top to bottom is simply not comparable to today's field. In a list of retired GOAT's Laver is certainly on it, as is Borg and Sampras, but Federer if he keeps up this pace is sure to end all arguments.

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14 GS isn't a relative measure.
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It might be fun to live in the moment of Fed's greatness but let's give Laver his due, people. The debate is over until Fed wins at least 17 majors. Laver is the greatest player of all time.
That's poor reasoning. Sampras' 14 slams is the record, currently. Laver is one of the top 3 players of all time, without a doubt, but Sampras does hold the GS record. There's no way we would ever know how many slams Laver would have won, had he not turned pro.
Should Federer win RG, and another 3+ slams, then he is certainly in the conversation.

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14 GS isn't a relative measure.
0 Roland Garros's is though
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That's poor reasoning. Sampras' 14 slams is the record, currently. Laver is one of the top 3 players of all time, without a doubt, but Sampras does hold the GS record. There's no way we would ever know how many slams Laver would have won, had he not turned pro.
Should Federer win RG, and another 3+ slams, then he is certainly in the conversation.
lol there's no way? how about winning a calendar year slam six years after his first one? he definitely wouldve won at least 4 during those SIX YEARS and TWENTY FOUR SLAMS if he can come back after a six year imposed hiatus, dont you think?
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lol there's no way? how about winning a calendar year slam six years after his first one? he definitely wouldve won at least 4 during those SIX YEARS and TWENTY FOUR SLAMS if he can come back after a six year imposed hiatus, dont you think?
I'm not weighing in on this one, but that stat is amazing! No wonder Fed was moved to tears when Laver handed him the AO trophy.
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Laver's '62 GS was against amatuers. Both Laver's GS's were played on 2 surfaces, grass or clay. Finally, the depth top to bottom is simply not comparable to today's field. In a list of retired GOAT's Laver is certainly on it, as is Borg and Sampras, but Federer if he keeps up this pace is sure to end all arguments.
each generation has to take what they're dealt. while winning on an additional two hardcourts is admirable, im sure that those clay and grass courts different with the tournament as well. a slam's a slam. just the same, every era has depth. there may be a perception of lack of depth, but like what federer's doing, its because of a player's dominance. when you say one era is better than the other - its harder, more depth, more variety in surfaces - what you're really trying to compare is the game at different evolutionary stages. it's a fallacy to think an era won't improve upon the last certainly 20-30 years after Laver the game. also, it's illogical to say there's less depth from the sheer number of players aiming for titles. what's your basis for that? does feds era have more depth than sampras? and sampras over lendl? lendl over mcenroe? mcenroe over borg? borg over connors? when it comes down to it, you still have to go through the same number of people to win a slam.
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