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Would you still say Kolya is a PMK (and who the best russian really is)?

Ever since Kolya cracked the top 10 (and maybe even earlier, anyway ever since he began to be recognized by tennis fans) the convention amongst many has always been that Davydenko is a PMK (poor men's Kafelnikov, for you), that is: a hard laborer, dull personality, with a game that reminds many of a ball-machine, with similar characteristics to Kafelnikov's game but not quite close to Kafel's quality.

Now, I don't know about Kafelnikov, but I know whenever I've had the chance to watch Kolya's game this year I enjoyed it, I find him far more aggressive than most other players, and his backhand is a lethal shot (also his forehand is very steady, and the serve really underrated).

I know jumping on the Kolya bandwagon is a popular thing to do after this week, but you have to admit he was rather impressive, dominating his opponents from the moment their serves were neutralized, and hitting winners off every 2nd ball.
So, can he really be appreciated as an excellent player in his own right, despite not winning Grand Slams like two of his fellow-russians?

Speaking of fellow-russians, another famous myth is that Safin - no matter what his current situation is - is by far the best russian player, and can beat them all handily whenever he decides to get serious (I thought he was pretty damn serious when Kolya beat him for the Kremlin-Cup title) - is there any truth to that myth?

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Re: Would you still say Kolya is a PMK (and who the best russian really is)?

Safin is the best russian, Davydenko is a lie.
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davydenko is the best russian , some steps above safin.
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Some days Safin is the best Russian. Some days Safin is the worst Russian. That's just how it goes.

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Re: Would you still say Kolya is a PMK (and who the best russian really is)?

well i guess kafelnikov is now poor man's davydenko?
Safin>Davydenko. No question about it. You can't just go by one match.

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Re: Would you still say Kolya is a PMK (and who the best russian really is)?

When Kolya makes Slam finals, then we talk..
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well i guess kafelnikov is now poor man's davydenko?
Safin>Davydenko. No question about it. You can't just go by one match.
Oh, I don't even doubt it that Safin at the height of his powers was in a different league - and even if I did - 2 Slams and 5 TMS titles would claim otherwise.

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It's a sport after all and while it is very important for the players, the only reason they make money (and I mean tennis as a whole) it's because it's entertainment for us, the fans. So if we're watching, I rather watch something that pleases the eye, who gives a shit if a BOSS hotass model takes 5 more seconds in geting the ball to the player in Madrid? I'd rather wait those extra 5 seconds seeing those boobies bounce than watching some fatass kid burn away his bigmac meal.

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When Kolya makes Slam finals, then we talk..
It's not like he's that far off, remember his SF match with Puerta at RG last year?
And how about his QF loss to Federer this year at AO? hypothetical, I know, but I think he would have kicked Kiefer's little butt had he made the SF.

My point is, him making or not a Slam final doesn't necessarily have something to do with being a better player, sometimes you just need better luck.

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It's a sport after all and while it is very important for the players, the only reason they make money (and I mean tennis as a whole) it's because it's entertainment for us, the fans. So if we're watching, I rather watch something that pleases the eye, who gives a shit if a BOSS hotass model takes 5 more seconds in geting the ball to the player in Madrid? I'd rather wait those extra 5 seconds seeing those boobies bounce than watching some fatass kid burn away his bigmac meal.

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He will be the poor man´s Korolev soon enough
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He's currently in better form than Safin, no doubt. But let's not forget he's going through the best moment of his career, while Safin isn't.

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well i guess kafelnikov is now poor man's davydenko?
Safin>Davydenko. No question about it. You can't just go by one match.
How about the last year and a half?

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Some days Safin is the best Russian. Some days Safin is the worst Russian. That's just how it goes.
absolutely agree with you.
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Re: Would you still say Kolya is a PMK (and who the best russian really is)?

Because some people seem confused...

Now, I may be mistaken, but I reaaallly doubt that anybody is debating whether or not Safin's career is better than Davydenko's.

Likewise, there should be no debate as to who is currently the best Russian. But there is, which is utterly bizarre.

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How about the last year and a half?
um...he wasn't even playing for most of that time.

the point is, that right now, Davy is in better form and more consistent and higher ranked. He is the best russian right now.

In regards to Kafelnikov, i really can't say since he was before my time.

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As of today (and the last months, not before, Marat did not play), Nikolay is the best russian player. I don't think Marat would disagree with that.
Nikolay is more consistent, in top form, reliable. There is not much to change there (some more luck, less federer in slams, and better preparation as he's sometimes exhausted because of too much play). Marat has been getting better, and hopefully things will keep better and better.
BUT because of their styles of play, Marat "appears" more aggressive (=better for a lot of people, even though it is not necessarily true). Some people just forget that Nikolay's results in slams are nothing to be ashamed of. He is really competitive in 3/4 of slams.
I can't really compare him to Kafelnikov, I have to admit I don't remember much from him, such a bad memory...

About the russians, I think a lot has to do with ego. Matches with people of your own country are different, "special".
Marat is like every one else, sometimes he wants to win but still loses. When Kolya beat him in Moscow, I'm pretty sure he really wanted to win. Like this whole year, he wanted to win more matches, but it takes more than willing and being focused. Things seem to be falling back into places for him, I just wish him a very good start to 2007. And hopefully Nikolay will keep up the good work as well.
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