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Master's Qualifiers Fast Surface Records, with "Federer factor" correction

1. Roger Federer 46-10(44-8 W/o Nadal; 85% win rate)
Versus
Nadal 2-2
Blake 5-0
Nalbandian 5-5
Robredo 6-0
Ljubicic 10-2
Davydenko 7-0
Roddick 11-1

2. Andy Roddick 20-17 (19-6 W/O Federer; 76% win rate)
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Blake 5-2
Federer 1-11
Nadal 1-0
Nalbandian 3-1
Robredo 6-0
Ljubicic 4-3
Davydenko 3-0

3. Ivan Ljubicic 16-19 (14-9 W/O Federer; 61% win rate)
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Blake 2-1
Federer 2-10
Nadal 1-2
Nalbandian 3-2
Robredo 3-1
Davydenko 2-1
Roddick 3-4

4. James Blake 12-13(12-8 W/O federer; 60% win rate)
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Federer 0-5
Nadal 2-0
Nalbandian 0-0
Robredo 3-2
Ljubicic 1-2
Davydenko 4-0
Roddick 2-5

5. David Nalbandian 11-12(6-7 W/O Federer; 46% win rate)
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Blake 0-0
Federer 5-5
Nadal 0-0
Robredo 2-0
Ljubicic 2-3
Davydenko 1-1
Roddick 1-3

6. Rafael Nadal 5-6(3-4 W/O Federer; 43% win rate)
Versus
Federer 2-2
Blake 0-2
Nalbandian 0-0
Robredo 1-0
Ljubicic 2-1
Davydenko 0-0
Roddick 0-1

7. Nikolay Davydenko 3-17(3-10 W/o Feder; 23% win rate)
Versus
Blake 0-4
Feder 0-7
Nadal 0-0
Nalbandian 1-1
Robredo 1-0
Ljubicic 1-2
Roddick 0-3

8. Tommy Robredo 3-22(3-16 W/O Feder, 16% win rate)
Versus
Blake 2-3
Federer 0-6
Nadal 0-1
Nalbandian 0-2
Ljubicic 1-3
Davydenko 0-1
Roddick 0-6

Well, both Andy and Federer seem to have quite a large margin over the rest of the field, so I think the smart money is on either of them taking it. Blake matches up some what surprisingly well when correcting for the Federer factor. And nadal? He's a minnow in a big, big ocean of sharks.

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Re: Master's Qualifiers Fast Surface Records, with "Federer factor" correction

I thought that they were playing on a "rebound ace" style surface which is medium paced NOT fast so why have you considered only fast surface results?

Based on those figures Federer, Roddick, Ljubicic and Blake (strong group) could all be in the same group and Nalbandian, Nadal, Davydenko and Robredo (weak group) in the other group.
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I thought that they were playing on a "rebound ace" style surface which is medium paced NOT fast so why have you considered only fast surface results?
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What I read just said "hard court". Good point, though.
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Would you please exclude the grass court results from this list? I know it takes long time but
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Would you please exclude the grass court results from this list? I know it takes long time but
Nah, not right now anyway. Maybe later. Too much work, too little benefit. But I would say that there were very, very few grass courts between them all. I don't think any match ups had more than one between the two of them, and very few even had one.
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Anyway, even if it is rebound ace, from what i've seen of the surface, it's essentially a fast surface with relatively low bounce.
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pointless thread

What is a fast court these days ???

the only ones you see are in Minsk.

Kolya just beat the Gimp (Robredo) so where does the 0-3 come from
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pointless thread

What is a fast court these days ???

the only ones you see are in Minsk.

Kolya just beat the Gimp (Robredo) so where does the 0-3 come from
Heaven forbid I don't immediately update, clearly making this thread "pointless". There, it's fixed now.
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Anyway, even if it is rebound ace, from what i've seen of the surface, it's essentially a fast surface with relatively low bounce.
Are you talking about rebound ace as a surface or what they used last year in Shanghai? They didn't use rebound ace last year so that's why the bounce was relatively low and the surface relatively fast. There was talk that the court would be changed into rebound ace for this year's TMC.
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Are you talking about rebound ace as a surface or what they used last year in Shanghai? They didn't use rebound ace last year so that's why the bounce was relatively low and the surface relatively fast. There was talk that the court would be changed into rebound ace for this year's TMC.
No. I was talking about from what I've seen of rebound ace(which is exactly what I said), it's comparable with hard surfaces or carpets, and even grass as far as the bounce goes. All I heard about the TMC is that it was going to be a "hard surface". So, what is it? Ace or not? That was the question.
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No. I was talking about from what I've seen of rebound ace(which is exactly what I said), it's comparable with hard surfaces or carpets, and even grass as far as the bounce goes. All I heard about the TMC is that it was going to be a "hard surface". So, what is it? Ace or not? That was the question.
You must not have watched too many matches then because the bounce is nothing like that on grass or carpet. There is also a big difference between the bounce of RA compared with Decoturf.
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You must not have watched too many matches then because the bounce is nothing like that on grass or carpet. There is also a big difference between the bounce of RA compared with Decoturf.
No. The bounce at the UO is similar to the bounce at the AO from what i've seen. I've never played on RA, so i don't have a personal opinion. It seems to play generally like a regular hard court from what I've seen. But, do you even know if that's the surface being used or not?
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No. The bounce at the UO is similar to the bounce at the AO from what i've seen.

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It is. The AO seems a bit slower, but the bounce seems the same as the UO.

Edit: On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd give grass a speed of 9, wood(very common the US for indoor tournaments) a 10 speed, UO an 8 speed, and the AO 7.5, clay 3), just to give context to "slower". The relative scores are almost the complete opposites for all of them in respect to bounce.
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RA is much bouncier than Decoturf.

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