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Don't forget Wawrinka...

He seems almost forgotten during the clay season, even though that might be the surface that suits him the best. All the talk so far have been on Rafa (rightly so), Djokovic and the split with his team, Murray's poor form and some umpires (vampires Gulbis might say).

Wawrinka can catch fire at any time, especially during Grand Slam tournaments. In my opinion, he could turn out to be Nadal's biggest threat at the French.

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Re: Don't forget Wawrinka...

He's not beating Rafa in this form.
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He's not beating Rafa in this form.
What if Stan turns into Stanimal, like at RG 2015?
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What if Stan turns into Stanimal, like at RG 2015?
Stanimal is a mythical beast that only shows up when the match-up is suiting him i.e. vs. Djokovic.

Federer is def. a bigger threat for Nadal than Wawrinka.
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He's not beating Rafa in this form.

You never know. But i must say the biggest actor here is Federer , He controls everything for years. He found his BH after playing tennis 25 and more years ?! Who on earth can believe in this BS?! Maybe he wanted everyone to believe it and now when he is at 35 to beat this famous King of clay ?! IT will be sweetest GS ever . If Wawrinka found his BH then who is in the right mind to believe that fed has no BH.
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What if Stan turns into Stanimal, like at RG 2015?
He better turn into Stanimal at Wimbledon, because I still don't think he's beating Rafa at RG.
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Re: Don't forget Wawrinka...

Stanimal should be never forgotten.
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He seems almost forgotten during the clay season, even though that might be the surface that suits him the best. All the talk so far have been on Rafa (rightly so), Djokovic and the split with his team, Murray's poor form and some umpires (vampires Gulbis might say).

Wawrinka can catch fire at any time, especially during Grand Slam tournaments. In my opinion, he could turn out to be Nadal's biggest threat at the French.
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"No way", since his AO'14 title Wawrinka has "just" won two slams and made three more semis during the slower AO/RG period, and they should also meet in the RG finals as seeds no.3 & 4, so, with his atrocious 3:0 score in the GS finals, Wawa "stands no chance".

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Re: Don't forget Wawrinka...

It would be foolish to dismiss Wawrinka at a Slam.

This thread led me to rewatch the 15' RG final highlights. If Stan did one thing, was to prove powerful flat hitters can get away with their stuff on clay. Against non other than Peakovic wall mode.

I really want to see how Rejuvenerer plays there, if he decides to show up.

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Re: Don't forget Wawrinka...

He always comes from nowhere, Stanimal. Either very poor showings or semi finals or even titles . Never in the middle.
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Re: Don't forget Wawrinka...

Wawrinka has a solid season so far.
I expect a lot from him in Rome and at Roland Garros.
But I agree with other posters that he can't beat Nadal at the moment.
Maybe if Nadal loses early in Madrid and loses a bit confident.
But still, Wawrinka will be dangerous those next weeks.

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Re: Don't forget Wawrinka...

He is best when completely forgotten. I don't know if he is sufficiently forgotten to do serious damage in RG (please delete this thread). Maybe at Wimbledon.

All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
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I will say this -- for complaints of him being inconsistent, this year he argurably has not only more points than Murray & Djokovic in AO, but also in Masters actually (780 points vs. 100 points and 280 points). He has reached at least Round 4 in all the Masters, and is averaging 260 points (Masters QF + 80 points). Yes, he probably should have capitalized the falling apart of the MC draw, and maybe reached the Final, but according to him he hasn't found his rhythm yet on clay and had to adjust. He said he would do a 15-day training block, and I did see a picture of him training with Magnus (see here) so I hope it wouldn't be fruitless.

I still think it's a bit mental for him going through ups and downs in a match, so I at least hope there are some tactical conversations when such things happen. As much as Madrid is fast clay, he did reach the Final last 2013 beating Berdych and Tsonga. He seemingly has a draw that is good enough for him to not underestimate it, which IMO with a Top 10 form he will be able to handle. Djokovic's drastic change will surely be critical, but I am not sure if it will be an automatic positive right now. Murray seems quite vulnerable on clay, with the serve not being very effective. I think if he produces the level he showed in Indian Wells (except for R16) I think he will get to the Final here. I won't expect I guess after how much he messed up his chance in MC, but as I said with Murphy's Law, what worse could happen?

He has a chance to get that #2 seeding before RG comes, so hopefully that is some motivation. He seems unsure if he'll play Geneva, so he could have a rest week before RG. Overall that seeding may not matter, seeing Nadal is the biggest threat right now and is #4 or #5 at the end probably. Overall I'm not exactly worried about Stan for RG, but I think some are selling his chances in Madrid (and Rome) a bit short.
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Re: Don't forget Wawrinka...

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Stanimal is a mythical beast that only shows up when the match-up is suiting him i.e. vs. Djokovic.

Federer is def. a bigger threat for Nadal than Wawrinka.
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Stanimal is a mythical beast that only shows up when the match-up is suiting him i.e. vs. Djokovic.

Federer is def. a bigger threat for Nadal than Wawrinka.
I know you're a RAFA fan but

Last time Federer beat an exhausted RAFA on clay was back in 2009 and Stanimal beat RAFA in 2015 albeit that year being RAFA's worst year by far.

Neither has even come close to beat RAFA at RG so they have equal chance at that which is a BIG FAT ZERO.
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