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The top 25 players of the TMS era (1990-present)

1) Pete Sampras, USA
2) Andre Agassi, USA
3) Roger Federer, SUI
4) Jim Courier, USA
5) Boris Becker, GER
6) Yevgeny Kafelnikov, RUS
7) Stefan Edberg, SWE
8) Lleyton Hewitt, AUS
9) Michael Chang, USA
10) Goran Ivanisevic, CRO

11) Tomas Muster, AUT
12) Andy Roddick, USA
13) Gustavo Kuerten, BRA
14) Marat Safin, RUS
15) Richard Krajicek, NET
16) Carlos Moya, ESP
17) Michael Stich, GER
18) Patrick Rafter, AUS
19) Juan Carlos Ferrero, ESP
20) Tim Henman, GBR

21) Wayne Ferreira, RSA
22) Marcelo Rios, CHI
23) Sergi Bruguera, ESP
24) Alex Corretja, ESP
25) Todd Martin, USA

Check my thread in the statistcs section for a full list and for the methodology of compiling this list.
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What do you guys think. Does this give a good refelction of the state of tennis since 1990?

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Re: The top 25 players of the TMS era (1990-present)

IMO
It's strange to see Kafelnikov who never won Masters titles ahead of Hewitt, Kuerten and Safin who all have much more significant wins and have been ranked at No. 1 for longer than him.
Kafelnikov - 2 GS, 0 Masters Cup, 0 Masters, No 1 for 6 weeks
Hewitt - 2 GS, 2 Masters Cup, 2 Masters, No. 1 for 80 weeks
Kuerten - 3 GS, 1 Masters Cup, 5 Masters, No. 1 for 43 weeks
Safin - 2 GS, 0 Masters Cup, 5 Masters, No. 1 for 9 weeks

And how come slamless in the 90-s Chang is ranked above 3-time Slams champion Kuerten, 2-time champions Safin, Rafter and Bruguera, and Roddick, Ferrero and other guys who have won GS?
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Re: The top 25 players of the TMS era (1990-present)

because Chang won more TMS events then they did apperently in order to get his ranking up, or had good showing in all the big events.

I looked at this forumla, and it wasnt for overall Winnings, it was for how well they did since 1990 and chang seemed to do well in those GS and TMS events meaning this *ranking* would be high.

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Re: The top 25 players of the TMS era (1990-present)

Any ranking system putting Chang above Kuerten, Roddick, Safin and Rafter is laughable for me.
IMO, again.
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Re: The top 25 players of the TMS era (1990-present)

You might consider factoring in career winning %. Kafelnikov has a worse winning % than Rafter, Stich, Muster, Roddick, etc. Kafelnikov played every possible tournament so ranks higher than he should when you only give credit for wins and don't penalize for losses.

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Any ranking system putting Chang above Kuerten, Roddick, Safin and Rafter is laughable for me.
IMO, again.
Bear in mind that Chang has retired, and that Roddick, Safin and, theoretically, Kuerten can add to their total.
Patrick Rafter's career was rather short and consisted of a few high profile wins at the US Open, but not that much else. His third and fourth best results at the US Open are a 4th round and a 3rd round loss for example. Rafter achieved next to nothing on clay and won only 11 titles.
Michael Chang earned the majority of his points by being very strong on American hardcourts, proving that he was more than a claycourter, whilst winning no less than 31 titles in the nineties.

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Any ranking system putting Chang above Kuerten, Roddick, Safin and Rafter is laughable for me.
IMO, again.
Not sure what's wrong with that IMO(I see your point but it's debatable). Chang was pretty good. Courier over Becker, though, that boggles belief.
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Not sure what's wrong with that IMO(I see your point but it's debatable). Chang was pretty good. Courier over Becker, though, that boggles belief.
Note that I only checked results in the nineties. Obviously, Becker has better career achievements and would have ranked higher had I taken 1985 as a starting point.
I chose to take 1990 as a starting point, though, as that was the year the TMS series (or Super 9 tournaments as they were called then) were introduced. The atp calendar has remained pretty much unaltered since.

And as for Jim Courier, he has had solid results on all surfaces, winning RG and the Australian open (both twice) and reaching the finals of Wimbledon and the US Open. He also won Indian Wells, Key Biscane and Rome (on clay of course).
Being able to play on all surfaces gets rewarded in the ranking system I used. Which is also why 3 time slam winner Gustavo Kuerten isn't ranked higher on the list.

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Courier over Becker, though, that boggles belief.

I completely agree with this one. I'm biased when it comes to Becker, and not at all a fan of Courier, but to put him ahead on the list doesn't make sense to me.
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Courier over Becker, though, that boggles belief.

I completely agree with this one. I'm biased when it comes to Becker, and not at all a fan of Courier, but to put him ahead on the list doesn't make sense to me.
You do realise that I didn't just make this list up, I hope?
Check the link in the first post if you want to see how I came up with this list.

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Oh of course PR, I saw where it came from. Based on stats alone, you have to go with what was printed. I'm a huge Becker fan. I'd put him at the top of any list...if I could.
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Oh of course PR, I saw where it came from. Based on stats alone, you have to go with what was printed. I'm a huge Becker fan. I'd put him at the top of any list...if I could.
If it makes you feel better, the difference between the 2 is very small (1898 to 1868)..

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Well, I think the point is that the list might not be all that useful. All it really does is highly advantage players that started playing as pros as close to 1990 as possible.
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Well, I think the point is that the list might not be all that useful. All it really does is highly advantage players that started playing as pros as close to 1990 as possible.
Still, there are quite a lot of players who started after 1990 and have retired, and that number will only grow.
I am intending to keep the thread updated, so it will get more useful over time, imo.

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