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How much has the ATP changed since 2000, apart from certain names?

This was done in 2000, just change the names of Sampras and Rafter and you will see some similarities. It has always been about the Tournament Directors though not in name. I will paste an old excerpt from a Medvedev interview.

Why are the other guys on the tour afraid to speak up and give their opinions?

My opinion is that some of them don’t care. If you ask Sampras, he’d say, everything is fine. I’m making my money with the ATP Tour, and I’m happy about that. I was once a representative of the Top 10 players. And when you try to get these guys to work for something, nine out of 10 guys would say, I don’t care. Everything is fine. If you explain that this way is better, they reply, we understand, but we don’t care. That was at the time of Becker, Edberg, Sampras.

Are there any players who care?

Yeah, I would say Rafter cares. I think Agassi actually cares although he doesn’t always show it. He would be willing to step up and do a little revolution and be behind the players and not behind the ATP Tour.

On March 10, 1999 former world No. 1 Thomas Muster told the German newspaper Die Welt: I look at the ATP not so much as a representative of players but as a firm that in marketing even works against the players. I don’t like the way tennis is dominated by Americans. The problem is that tennis is governed by the Americans and financed by the Europeans. [ATP Tour CEO] Mark Miles must go, changes must come quickly, and the future of our sport is at stake.

Do you agree with Muster?

I agree with 90 percent of what Muster was saying because in the past the ATP has acted against [the best interests of] the players, and in favour of the tournaments. That’s a fact. Give me an example of that.

There are plenty of examples, believe me. In Estoril this year, I was to play a semi-final match scheduled not before 2:30, following the women at noon. It rained the whole day until 2:45. Nobody notified me or told me anything. Then rain stopped and 10 minutes later the tour manager tells me, you’re on the court in 10 minutes. I said, Listen, the women have to play first. He says, No, no, we got the TV. You got to go first. So I had no warm-up, no warning. When it was raining, they should have at least said, you guys should warm up, indoors or something, because you might play as soon as the rain stops.

We went on the court cold, and we had to play in a drizzle, and the court became slippery. We talked to the chair umpire, and he said he had orders that we had to continue because we had TV. Now, what if the players got injured? What, instead, if we had striked and refused to go on the court? The ATP doesn’t care if somebody breaks his leg. All they care about is the tournament and the TV gets what they want.

The ATP should be defending us because it’s an association of tennis professionals, not tournaments. They don’t consistently do this. They’re becoming better. But when Muster spoke out, it was definitely way in favour of the tournaments.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1

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Re: How much has the ATP changed since 2000, apart from certain names?

Miles was a total muppet and a stooge, but at least he didn't support RR.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: How much has the ATP changed since 2000, apart from certain names?

Interesting post, GWH. Thanks. Medvedev was a good guy, personable and intelligent.

On a side note, it's only been six years, but everyone in that interview is now out of the game. Time flies...

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Re: How much has the ATP changed since 2000, apart from certain names?

Well I like to call the ATP the ATD (Association of Tournament Directors) and yes the names are different, but much is still the same.

The game isn't totally run by Americans, but naturally there is going to be some influence.

The main point is that the players don't care, they didn't care then and they don't care now or not enough care.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: How much has the ATP changed since 2000, apart from certain names?

I haven't been through all the threads, so I might be wrong here, but of the current top 10, is this how they feel (that is, if they have said anything)?

Federer: No to Hawkeye, on court coaching, RR
Nadal: Yes to all
Nalbandian: ?
Ljubicic: Yes to all
Roddick: ?
Davydenko: ?
Gonzalez: ?
Robredo: I think he has said something?
Blake: ?
Berdych: ?

And outside this lot who has made a comment? Somebody, somewhere had some off the record comments.
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Well I like to call the ATP the ATD (Association of Tournament Directors) and yes the names are different, but much is still the same.

The game isn't totally run by Americans, but naturally there is going to be some influence.

The main point is that the players don't care, they didn't care then and they don't care now or not enough care.

it's hard to care when you are making as much money as those guys make/made from their individual appearance deals with the tournament directors. Tennis players worry about their own interests first, even moreso than in other sports. Why should they risk something to make a fuss?
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Robredo: I think he has said something?
Would they honestly listen to him though?
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Would they honestly listen to him though?
Fair point, but Federer is one guy that could take some leadership, but it's about the ATD.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: How much has the ATP changed since 2000, apart from certain names?

Pretty much the same . But..
It's where tennis is really dealt with as a profession not a game. I'm not 100% sure, but i think if we take a look around, similar issues 'll be observed for every game association dealing with money & professionals.
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Pretty much the same . But..
It's where tennis is really dealt with as a profession not a game. I'm not 100% sure, but i think if we take a look around, similar issues 'll be observed for every game association dealing with money & professionals.
No other sports have players associations specifically designed to represent and defend players' rights. Baseball's player association, for example, is one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, unions in America. That's what tennis lacks--proper representation of what the players want. The way it's done now, there are way too many interests (players, tournaments, sponsors, TV) clashing, and there is ONE organizion in place to take care of it all. It doesn't make much sense, but then again, what in tennis does?

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Pretty much the same . But..
It's where tennis is really dealt with as a profession not a game. I'm not 100% sure, but i think if we take a look around, similar issues 'll be observed for every game association dealing with money & professionals.
It's called the ATP and they broke away to form their own tour. The thing is in reality they only done it name and these players aren't militant enough to stir things up.

Nadal should go with some other players and have something like the Harlem Globetrotters and play gimmick tennis.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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^ dude, isnt this an unusual time for u?

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No other sports have players associations specifically designed to represent and defend players' rights. Baseball's player association, for example, is one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, unions in America. That's what tennis lacks--proper representation of what the players want. The way it's done now, there are way too many interests (players, tournaments, sponsors, TV) clashing, and there is ONE organizion in place to take care of it all. It doesn't make much sense, but then again, what in tennis does?
i absolutely agree - to me it's dysfunctional to have one organisation to represent both tournaments and players. you could have that for an organisation to represent the sport/industry, but then it should have 2 member organisations to represent tournaments and players separately, since they may have conflicting interests at times. (well to have a 3rd to represent fans would be nice )

since players come and go in a matter of a few years, but tournaments and their directors and executives tend to be around for much longer - you can imagine who have more influence on the organisation, officially called the atp.
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Federer is the only hope to keep the sport serious?
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The players don't care...I can only think of a few that actually care about the game and the fans - the rest only care about $$$$$ - and lots of it.

As for the top 10, I just know Roger is against it, Rafa and Fernando are for it.

Almost all the guys that I've heard against it are lower ranked. I'm happy to report that Nico is against it.
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