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Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations w/o proof) vol. 2a

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CK, I don't care if you allege anyone, including Roger, of doping, as long as you have proof. Since you're publishing something I assume you have proof. Honestly I can't wait to read it, but if they are mere speculations from his recent form without anything concrete, you should be prepared for Fed fans who come after you.
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Hi, @ChrisKuerten

I saw you saying roger is doping because of the veins in his arm in 2017 compared to 2016 (as if veins popping is evidence of doping)

here's a picture from 2013 (Roger's worst year)



Do you see the veins? Was he doping back then and still had a shitty year? Please stop embarrassing yourself. and btw I am not even an athlete but when I do sports my veins pop out like crazy even more than federer in the picture.

It's not like roger was losing in 1st rounds between 2014-2016 then all of a sudden he won a slam. No! He was playing great tennis and reached multiple GS Finals and SFs only to face Djokovic who he couldn't stay with him physically in the best of 5 match. And probably he wouldn't have won the AO had he faced Djokovic or even Murray. And Rafaito although he improved compared to 2015-2016 he still plays like shit and lost a lot of matches to mediocre players so Roger defeating him shouldn't raise eyebrows.

The 6 months off and not facing djokovic helped a lot. Also, why is he skipping the clay season? He said he's tired and wanted to give his body some rest. So please if you have PROOF or any thing share it with us, other than it stop because a lot of people actually naive enough to believe you. It's ok to say I think he's doping or what he's doing is suspicious but to say he's doping with such confidant and without any evidence makes you look like fool and you lose all the credibility. I know you do this because you like attention and I am sorry you don't get that attention in your life so you have to do it through social media and online forums, but yeah, stop embarrassing yourself.
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Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations w/o proof) vol. 2a

I agree that making direct accusations without direct evidence is not constructive, but for example, talking about someone's noticeable physics changes, asking questions, some ambiguity in talking about the system etc. Should be ok, this is not a big deal.

Otherwise, may as well not have this thread because if you go by official clear cut evidence alone, without room for ambiguity, tennis is one of the most clean sports there is, nobody gets popped, only a few Argies, Low level Serbs every few years and being one of the sports globally that has the most money in it, and one of the weakest Anti-doping programs.

I guess tennis has some of the most politically correct, ethical people participating from all sports and in human nature, nothing to discuss here

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Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations w/o proof) vol. 2a

found some interesting shit about the popping out of veins

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Veins popping out in hands and legs for body builders may be a matter of pride. But for a normal man, it may be a tell tale sign of aging process, which he may not like to reveal. Popping veins is nothing new, it simply means that veins are more visible. These veins are superficial; they just lie below the skin. Deeper veins even if they become enlarged or bulge out, are not visible as they are situated deep inside the muscles and tissues.

Veins that become tortuous and pop in the lower extremity are called varicose veins of leg.

Varicose veins in leg is associated with symptoms like pain in calf muscles, darkening of skin, ulceration etc. Apart from the organic causes, there are several physiological causes where the superficial veins appear more prominent. In such cases, it is more a cosmetic issue than a health related problem. Let us know the organic and physiologic causes where veins pop and bulge.
What Causes Veins To Pop Out?

Genetics: If your father or mother or any siblings have popping veins, you are likely to have same condition in your body, especially in extremities. Genetics has been associated with popping of veins.

Loss of body fat: with reduction of weight, whether voluntarily or due to disease, the veins become more prominent on the skin surface. This is because the subcutaneous fat which lies just below the skin also reduces with total body fat.

Aging process: as a person ages, the veins loses its elasticity. The valves inside the veins become weak. The blood remains in the veins for a longer period than it should. The pooling of blood for a longer time enlarges the veins and they become more prominent.

Besides, with age the skin also loses it elasticity and becomes thin. Both this reasons are responsible for popping of veins. It is body’s natural process and there is no disease involved.
Strength training exercises: those who exercise a lot are known to have bulging veins. Especially if you are a weight lifter, or if you do regular strength training exercise, or if your work requires weight lifting, than your veins easily pop on skin surface. This is associated with hardening of muscles and increase in the blood flow.

If you are a fair skinned individual, the veins look more popped than a person who has dark skin.

There are certain medical conditions that may also give rise to popped veins. They are as follows:

Varicose veins: usually the condition involves legs. In this condition the valves become weak and there is pooling of blood. In some cases, when the veins become delicate, it may burst suddenly leading to bleeding from the vein.

Hormonal imbalance: It usually happens in women. Hormonal imbalance during menopause or during pregnancy may be responsible for popping of veins. Pressure of uterus on the pelvic veins can cause enlarged veins in the legs. They may reduce in size after delivery when the uterus reduces in size.

How To Treat Popped Veins?

Since several conditions are known to cause popped veins, it is necessary to find out whether bulging is simply due to a physiological process or due to any underlying disease condition.

If it is exercise induced bulging, the popped veins will naturally become normal and no treatment is necessary.
When it is associated with genetics, then too you cannot do much unless you opt for some procedures such as laser treatment etc.
Popping of veins due to varicosity of veins needs medical attention. An elastocrepe bandage wrapped around the limb or invasive surgery or laser therapy may be choice of treatment.
Eat healthy food which contains vitamins and minerals. They are helpful to maintain skin and vein elasticity.
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you should be prepared for Fed fans who come after you.
Or Fed's lawyers...
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CK, I don't care if you allege anyone, including Roger, of doping, as long as you have proof. Since you're publishing something I assume you have proof. Honestly I can't wait to read it, but if they are mere speculations from his recent form without anything concrete, you should be prepared for Fed fans who come after you.
Of course he doesn't have proof of Federer's doping. If anyone had material proof of any player's doping, that would mean that player is suspended.

PS Popping veins is not necessarily a sign of doping.



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thank you indeed

so we now agree that doping is not the not the only way leading to the popping out veins

so why people are using it as a proof then ?
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CK, I don't care if you allege anyone, including Roger, of doping, as long as you have proof. Since you're publishing something I assume you have proof. Honestly I can't wait to read it, but if they are mere speculations from his recent form without anything concrete, you should be prepared for Fed fans who come after you.
I will explain why allegations are justifiable in my opinion, at least if they are constructive and not just hurling biased insults at your least favorite player.

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I will explain why allegations are justifiable in my opinion, at least if they are constructive and not just hurling biased insults at your least favorite player.

Also, don't forget how irrelevant I am in the big picture and that practically no one reads what I have to say.
You know all Nole fans and Rafa fans will read it and consider it as a proof of roger's doping. especially the idiot ones on twitter.

but in the picture no one cares, you're right. Can't wait to see your veins pictures tomorrow.
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Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations w/o proof) vol. 2a

When is Nadal's case against Bachelot coming up? I've totally lost track of that.
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Fed wins with technique primary stamina secondary unlike some. Doping wouldn't even help him that much . Not when he races through service games in a minute with regularity when he's playing well.
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Also, don't veins tend to stand out more in the heat anyway, or am I imagining it?
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