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Help wanted with TMC results!

Hi!
I am working on a TMS era ranking list, which is going pretty well, but I can't get hold of the results of the TMC (well, atp tour championships, as they were called back then) of 1993 and 1991. For some reason I can't access them form stevegtennis nor from the atp site.
So, if anybody can post me the results from these 2 tournaments, not just the final, the whole deal, I'd be very grateful!
Thanks!

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For 1991

Semi-Finals
Pete Sampras def Ivan Lendl 6-2 6-3
Jim Courier def Andre Agassi 6-3 7-5


Final

Pete Sampras def Jim Courier 3-6, 7-6 (5), 6-3, 6-4

1993

Semi-Finals
Pete Sampras def Andrei Medvedev 6-2 6-3
Michael Stich def Goran Ivanisevic (7-6 (2), 7-6 (10)


Final
Michael Stich def Pete Sampras 7-6 (3) 2-6 7-6(7) 6-2

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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1991 Round Robin

Group A
Andre Agassi (USA) [7] def. Boris Becker (GER) [2] 6-3 7-5
Pete Sampras (USA) [6] def. Andre Agassi (USA) [7] 6-3 1-6 6-3
Andre Agassi (USA) [7] def. Michael Stich (GER) [3] 7-5 6-3
Boris Becker (GER) [2] def. Pete Sampras (USA) [6] 6-4 6-7 6-1
Boris Becker (GER) [2] def. Michael Stich (GER) [3] 7-6 6-3
Pete Sampras (USA) [6] def. Michael Stich (GER) [3] 6-2 7-6


Group B

Jim Courier (USA) [1] def. Guy Forget (FRA) [5] 7-6 6-4
Ivan Lendl (USA) [4] def. Guy Forget (FRA) [5] 6-2 6-4
Guy Forget (FRA) [5] def. Karel Novacek (CZE) [8] 6-3 7-6
Ivan Lendl (USA) [4] def. Jim Courier (USA) [1] 6-2 6-3
Ivan Lendl (USA) [4] def. Karel Novacek (CZE) [8] 6-2 6-2
Jim Courier (USA) [1] def. Karel Novacek (CZE) [8] 6-7 7-5 6-4

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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1993

Round-Robin
Andrei Medvedev (UKR) [6] def. Michael Chang (USA) [7] 2-6 6-4 6-2
Andrei Medvedev (UKR) [6] def. Jim Courier (USA) [2] 6-3 1-6 7-6
Michael Stich (GER) [3] def. Andrei Medvedev (UKR) [6] 6-3 6-4
Michael Stich (GER) [3] def. Jim Courier (USA) [2] 7-5 6-4
Michael Stich (GER) [3] def. Michael Chang (USA) [7] 4-6 7-6 6-2
Michael Chang (USA) [7] def. Jim Courier (USA) [2] 6-4 6-0

Group B

Pete Sampras (USA) [1] def. Goran Ivanisevic (CRO) [8] 6-3 4-6 6-2
Pete Sampras (USA) [1] def. Sergi Bruguera (ESP) [4] 6-3 1-6 6-3
Pete Sampras (USA) [1] def. Stefan Edberg (SWE) [5] 6-3 7-6
Goran Ivanisevic (CRO) [8] def. Sergi Bruguera (ESP) [4] 6-4 7-6
Goran Ivanisevic (CRO) [8] def. Stefan Edberg (SWE) [5] 7-6 6-7 6-3
Stefan Edberg (SWE) [5] def. Sergi Bruguera (ESP) [4] 6-2 6-4

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: Help wanted with TMC results!

is it just me or the quality of the 'masters' back in the 1990s so much better than now?

Becker
Sampras
Agassi
Stich
Lendl
Edberg


Roll em ALL up in one and you have




Roger Federer
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is it just me or the quality of the 'masters' back in the 1990s so much better than now?

Becker
Sampras
Agassi
Stich
Lendl
Edberg


Roll em ALL up in one and you have




Roger Federer
Well, first of all all those weren't participating in the same TMC. Secondly, Lendl was pretty much done, Sampras had won one slam and Agassi ZERO at that time and noone could know about their future success.

We don't know the future of the present players: Baggy and Nadal could turn out to be multiple GS champs (nadal actually alrady is ), Nalby could win a few as could Roddick.

You have to wait another ten years to be able to do anything close to a fair comparison.


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is it just me or the quality of the 'masters' back in the 1990s so much better than now?
It's you.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Thanks GWH!

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Hi!
I am working on a TMS era ranking list, which is going pretty well, but I can't get hold of the results of the TMC (well, atp tour championships, as they were called back then) of 1993 and 1991. For some reason I can't access them form stevegtennis nor from the atp site.
So, if anybody can post me the results from these 2 tournaments, not just the final, the whole deal, I'd be very grateful!
Thanks!


Hope you'll share your list when it's finished.

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Hope you'll share your list when it's finished.
Yeah, I've just finshed. Of course I'll share. I'll post specifics in the statistics forum. Here's a quick copy-paste of the final list!

Sampras, Pete 3710
Agassi, Andre 3292
Federer, Roger 2533
Courier, Jim 1898
Becker, Boris 1868
Kafelnikov, Yevgeny 1788
Edberg, Stefan 1777
Hewitt, Lleyton 1715
Chang, Michael 1712
Ivanisevic, Goran 1564
Muster, Tomas 1486
Roddick, Andy 1365
Kuerten, Gustavo 1333
Safin, Marat 1252
Krajicek, Richard 1220
Moya, Carlos 1195
Stich, Michael 1185
Rafter, Patrick 1104
Ferrero, Juan Carlos 1103
Henman, Tim 1103
Ferreira, Wayne 1046
Rios, Marcelo 1031
Bruguera, Sergi 1001
Corretja, Alex 976
Martin, Todd 967
Enqvist, Thomas 965
Coria, Guillermo 913
Korda, Petr 870
Nadal, Rafael 830
Nalbandian, David 827
Medvedev, Andrei 785
Grosjean, Sebastian 767
Philippoussis, Mark 732
Haas, Tommy 729
Pioline, Cedric 728
Costa, Albert 689
Lendl, Ivan 680
Rusedski, Greg 642
Björkman, Jonas 633
Forget, Guy 605
Rosset, Marc 579
Johansson, Thomas 558
Kiefer, Nicolas 537
Santoro, Fabrice 509
Novak, Jiri 500
Robredo, Tommy 483
Larsson, Magnus 468
Gonzalez, Fernando 463
Gaudio, Gaston 459
Ljubicic, Ivan 452
Mantilla, Felix 451
Gustafsson, Magnus 441
Hrbaty, Dominik 434
Washington, MaliVai 432
Berasategui, Alberto 425
Schalken, Sjeng 422
Davydenko, Nikolay 404
Norman, Magnus 404
Schüttler, Rainer 395
Novacek, Karel 383
Lapentti, Nicolas 373
Krickstein, Aaron 367
Wheaton, David 358
Pavel, Andrei 349
Chesnokov, Andrei 348
Sanchez, Emilio 344
Volkov, Alexander 338
Arazi, Hicham 334
Boetsch, Arnaud 333
Clement, Arnaud 316
Clavet, Francisco 315
Kucera, Karol 310
Blake, James 306
Spadea, Vince 296
Canas, Guillermo 295
Costa, Carlos 283
El Aynaoui, Younes 277
Mirnyi, Max 275
Woodforde, Mark 275
Escude, Nicolas 273
Hlasek, Jakob 269
Ferrer, David 253
Ancic, Mario 250
Chela, Juan Ignacio 250
Srichaphan, Paradorn 248
Stepanek, Radek 242
Woodbridge, Todd 242
Siemerink, Jan 241
Gambill, Jan-Michael 238
Stoltenberg, Jason 237
Haarhuis, Paul 236
Malisse, Xavier 234
McEnroe, John 229
Ginepri, Robby 222
Zabaleta, Mariano 220
Yzaga, Jaime 214
Reneberg, Richey 210
Leconte, Henri 200
Ulihrach, Bodan 198
Cherkasov, Andrei 193
Berdych, Tomas 182
Gasquet, Richard 181
Woodruff, Chris 180
Massu, Nicolas 178
McEnroe, Patrick 170
Baghdatis, Marcos 169
Prpic, Goran 169
Black, Byron 167
Eltingh, Jacco 165
Sanchez, Javier 163
Dosedel, Slava 163
Nieminen, Jarkko 162
Masur, Wally 161
Mansdorf, Amos 161
Squillari, Franco 161
Puerta, Mariano 159
Lopez, Feliciano 158
Gaudenzi, Andrea 152
Johansson, Joachim 150
Karbacher, Bernd 141
Meligeni, Fernando 140
Steeb, Carl-Uwe 138
Furlan, Renzo 135
Wilander, Mats 133
Calleri, Agustin 131
Golmard, Jerome 129
Bergstrom, Christian 126
Mancini, Alberto 118
Verkerk, Martin 116
Steven, Brett 114
Mathieu, Paul-Henri 114
Koubek, Stefan 110
Kulti, Nicklas 109
Tillström, Mikael 104
Djokovic, Novak 100
Acasuso, Jose 98
Alami, Karim 96
Sanguinetti, David 95
Dewulf, Filip 90
Fish, Mardy 90
Murray, Andy 88
Portas, Albert 85
Pernfors, Mikael 85
Vinciguerra, Andreas 83
Filippini, Marcelo 82
Ondruska, Marcos 72
Popp, Alexander 72
Blanco, Galo 71
Voinea, Adrian 70
Monfils, Gael 68
Rochus, Christophe 58
Benneteau, Julian 53
Voltchkov, Vladimir 52
Dreekmann, Hendrik 51
Carretero, Roberto 50
Levy, Harel 47
Matsuoka, Shuzo 47
Hanescu, Victor 46
Mayer, Florian 46
Radulescu. Alex 39
Labadze, Irakli 37
Sa, Andre 25

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what a group in 91: Sampras, Agassi, Becker and Stich.

it was in Germany and Stich was one unhappy chappy at the support becker got over him in that match.
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Re: Help wanted with TMC results!

should see the 94 group Berasategui was put into


past results below
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