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The legendary mental toughness of Rafael Nadal

H2H between him and Fed is 6-2 in Nadal's favor. Therefore people say Roger has a kind of a mental problem playing with Rafa and it's at least a bit true. When I saw last matches between the two I was shocked how careful and timid was Roger's game. No bullshit; just look at his matches at Wimbledon and then Wimbledon final

IMO yesterday Nadal played moreless the same against Berdych. His shots weren't that hard, and most of the points he gained thanks to Berdych's errors, especially the return. Then he behaved badly after a loss. Also, it's not hard to notice that when the guy is losing he looks confused, discouraged etc.

So, is the talking about his mental toughness true, or is it a bit exaggerated?
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Re: The legendary mental toughness of Rafael Nadal

Well when an opponent in this case Berdych has had a hold over Nadal and the only match he won against him out of 4, Berdych was a bit like Santa Claus that day, then naturally it's going to play on Nadal's mind.

It's not that hard to figure out that tennis about is respective match ups. Nadal likes playing Federer and struggles against Berdych.

Look at the matches that Nadal has won when he really shouldn't have through his will and the ones where his mental strength and will wasn't enough. It's not science to see to which one of the above is greater.

Got to love knee-jerk reactions.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: The legendary mental toughness of Rafael Nadal

yes, but didn't people write here in Federer-related subjects that he should overcome such things?
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yes, but didn't people write here in Federer-related subjects that he should overcome such things?
Your point is what exactly? So when Federer loses it's the end of the world and have a whole list of knee-jerk reactions threads, or is it just an excuse to have a Fed/Nadal flaming session?

No, all players have to remain stagnant and not try and improve.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Got to love knee-jerk reactions.
that's the spirit of MTF. you're perceived as a Fedtard, Rafatard, or at least a jerk. Man you know nothing bout me and I know nothing bout you. Ad that's the thingfor everyone. So let's better cut down with bullshit and start talking about the thing. You agree or disagree, but don't get into psychology, cause it may be quite funny

my point is to... well, deal with a atatement that is true or false. Maybe I expect too much from the players, that's another subject. My point was that although Nadal was known as the one that remains stable etc., we can take a look at his behavior in this match and a match against Youzhny and verify the statement
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that's the spirit of MTF. you're perceived as a Fedtard, Rafatard, or at least a jerk. Man you know nothing bout me and I know nothing bout you. Ad that's the thingfor everyone. So let's better cut down with bullshit and start talking about the thing. You agree or disagree, but don't get into psychology, cause it may be quite funny

my point is to... well, deal with a atatement that is true or false. Maybe I expect too much from the players, that's another subject. My point was that although Nadal was known as the one that remains stable etc., we can take a look at his behavior in this match and a match against Youzhny and verify the statement
I have already the answered the thread question and you are choosing to focus on a very narrow sample and not looking at the overall picture to come to a conclusion.

Yes, it's a knee-jerk reaction and for a more complete answer there would be need to be a longer timeframe and yes do expect too much from players I can tell that already. Players lose matches, they have to deal with it.

So Nadal isn't perfect and who is?

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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my point is to... well, deal with a atatement that is true or false. Maybe I expect too much from the players, that's another subject. My point was that although Nadal was known as the one that remains stable etc., we can take a look at his behavior in this match and a match against Youzhny and verify the statement
I think that George answered your question perfectly but you ignored that bit for some reason, probably because that part of the question doesn't match with your original statement so it's better to ignore it?
There's mental toughness and then there's match-ups. There's a distinction to be made and one you're not making in this thread. I can't say that this victory from Tomas comes as a big surprise just because I have seen their previous matches.

I actually think that Rafa fought hard. It's not like he folded. He kept on trying to find answers and the second set in particular was close. All their matches have been close even though this is a two sets defeat. It was only a matter of a few points here and there. But the fact remains that Berdych has some weapons with which he can hurt Nadal and yes, it's hard to stay on top of the situation from a mental point of view but it's a match-up situation. You can be tough as nails when speaking about mental attitude but that doesn't really help you overcome the weapons the other guy has on court.
If you have to fight against a person, you can "will" yourself to be strong but what if the other guy is in fact really physically stronger? How far can that willpower take you?

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