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Rate Masters In Prestige

So there are 9 masters. Which are the most prestigious and why? Which are the least?
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1. Indian Wells
2. Rome
3. Cincinnati
4. Miami
5. Madrid
6. Montreal
7. Shanghai
8. Paris
9. Monte-Carlo (would be much higher if still mandatory, probably 3)

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Shame Queens Club is not a masters as it would be a cert for no.1
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1. Indian Wells
2. Rome
3. Cincinnati
4. Miami
5. Madrid
6. Montreal
7. Shanghai
8. Paris
9. Monte-Carlo (would be much higher if still mandatory, probably 3)

I agree with you, I might switch Madrid and Miami.
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MC ist such a beautiful tourney with the view and stuff but as its not mandatory I would set it 9.

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This is a good question... I'll give it a go but I'm more than open to correction. I'm basing this solely on ATP so I'm ignoring the Williams sisters' controversy at IW for example.

1. Indian Wells - The first one of the year and so always receives a good degree of attention, it has exceptionally high prize money. The facilities are not far off GS level and nearly all the top players always compete.

2. Cincinnati - This may be subconscious bias on my part as a Federer fan but I think its court speed is fairly unique, very different from IW/Miami etc. On top of this it is one of the oldest tournaments on the tour (founded 1899) and virtually every big name in history has won there, excusing Djokovic (unlucky) and Borg (no surprises on HC).

3. Rome - Again, one of the older tournaments, for me its the biggest clay masters, it also reflects just how good Nadal is on clay, he's won there 7 times and its probably one of his weaker clay tournaments.

4. Paris - Later on in the season, has a different feel to it and it is the defender of the far too undervalued indoor season, a good precursor to the WTF.

5. Rogers Cup - Another tournament I have a soft spot for, It's a shame Federer has not had more success there over time. However, by following Wimbledon it does not always receive great attention and I always feel like the deep runners at Wimbledon spend this time recovering. Also, this event always gets caned during Olympic years.

6. Madrid - Quite a new tournament, still needs to build prestige a bit, like Shanghai below. Again, another reflection of how good Nadal is on clay.

7. Shanghai- This ranks lowly because it is fairly new, hasn't really built up much prestige as of yet. However, by being the only Asian Masters event, holding good facilities and strong prize money it ranks above MC and Miami.

8. Monte Carlo - Despite Federer having never won here I actually really like Monte Carlo. However, it ranks lowly here because it is only optional, rarely gets a full turn-out and is just another addition to an already over-loaded clay season. It ranks above Miami predominantly because of its age and tradition.

9. Miami - This seems a strange pick to be last given that it is part of the "sunshine double", has generous prize money and a big draw. However, I feel it is so close to clay season that many players do not fully take it seriously, turn-out can be poorer and it feels quite samey after IW, not to mention following it closely, so it can be overshadowed.
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1. Indian Wells
2. Rome
3. Cincinnati
4. Miami
5. Madrid
6. Montreal
7. Shanghai
8. Paris
9. Monte-Carlo (would be much higher if still mandatory, probably 3)
What are you smoking? Paris has an incredible history and it's the historic tradition of an event that normally garners its prestige. Only in the last 5 or so years has the event gone to pot. Rating Shanghai above it, in particular, is ludicrous.
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I'd be more interested to know the ranking in terms of top seed turnout, Madrid for example is a masters players sometimes skip like Djokovic 2015 or Miami due to the conditions and proximity to clay swing and top8 players have been known to pull a strategic tank at Bercy
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Personally,

Monte carlo
Inidan wells
Cincy

The rest are pretty much equal to me

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This is a good question... I'll give it a go but I'm more than open to correction. I'm basing this solely on ATP so I'm ignoring the Williams sisters' controversy at IW for example.

1. Indian Wells - The first one of the year and so always receives a good degree of attention, it has exceptionally high prize money. The facilities are not far off GS level and nearly all the top players always compete.

2. Cincinnati - This may be subconscious bias on my part as a Federer fan but I think its court speed is fairly unique, very different from IW/Miami etc. On top of this it is one of the oldest tournaments on the tour (founded 1899) and virtually every big name in history has won there, excusing Djokovic (unlucky) and Borg (no surprises on HC).

3. Rome - Again, one of the older tournaments, for me its the biggest clay masters, it also reflects just how good Nadal is on clay, he's won there 7 times and its probably one of his weaker clay tournaments.

4. Paris - Later on in the season, has a different feel to it and it is the defender of the far too undervalued indoor season, a good precursor to the WTF.

5. Rogers Cup - Another tournament I have a soft spot for, It's a shame Federer has not had more success there over time. However, by following Wimbledon it does not always receive great attention and I always feel like the deep runners at Wimbledon spend this time recovering. Also, this event always gets caned during Olympic years.

6. Madrid - Quite a new tournament, still needs to build prestige a bit, like Shanghai below. Again, another reflection of how good Nadal is on clay.

7. Shanghai- This ranks lowly because it is fairly new, hasn't really built up much prestige as of yet. However, by being the only Asian Masters event, holding good facilities and strong prize money it ranks above MC and Miami.

8. Monte Carlo - Despite Federer having never won here I actually really like Monte Carlo. However, it ranks lowly here because it is only optional, rarely gets a full turn-out and is just another addition to an already over-loaded clay season. It ranks above Miami predominantly because of its age and tradition.

9. Miami - This seems a strange pick to be last given that it is part of the "sunshine double", has generous prize money and a big draw. However, I feel it is so close to clay season that many players do not fully take it seriously, turn-out can be poorer and it feels quite samey after IW, not to mention following it closely, so it can be overshadowed.

Good post, which i generally agree with. If MC was still mandatory it would be far higher, probably around 2-4. Now it's just like a glorified 500..

Also, IW facilities are certainly better than the FO or Wimbledon.
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Good post, which i generally agree with. If MC was still mandatory it would be far higher, probably around 2-4. Now it's just like a glorified 500..

Also, IW facilities are certainly better than the FO or Wimbledon.
Yeah, in my mind it should be mandatory and I would have Madrid as the voluntary tournament (assuming we keep the voluntary option as a clay event).

Definitely agree in terms of being better than FO vis a vis facilities, not so sure about Wimbledon though, Wimbledon has a rustic feel which many perceive to be antiquated but they've made much progress in recent years.
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Interesting question.

Honestly I don't distinguish between them much in terms of prestige. If I were pushed for an answer I would say Indian Wells probably tops the pack because it has the best facilities, highest prize money and often gets cited as "the fifth slam" because players seem to love it. I would say Monte Carlo is the least prestigious only because it is non-compulsory so the draws there can be slightly less competitive. I will note however that whilst Shanghai's youngness means it would be near the bottom of the list, it will probably rise up the ranks the fastest out of any masters event because it is the only major tennis tournament in Asia which is where the sport (and money) will rise fastest going into the future. For that reason I think an Asian slam at Shanghai is more realistic than Indian Wells becoming the fifth slam (although I do not expect either to happen, at least not anytime soon - maybe once Fedal retire and the ATP feels the need to change things to draw in more viewers).

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1. Rome
2. Monte-Carlo (prestige has more to do with history than being mandatory or not)
3. Indian Wells
4. Miami (once, it was the 5th slam)
5. Cincinnati
6. Madrid
7. Montreal / Toronto
8. Paris
9. Shanghai
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After the 4 Slams, I would rate Monte-Carlo 5th and Queen's Club 6th.

All of the other Masters Series are just corporate events and are much of a muchness. This is why I would also rate Wimbledon above the other Grand Slams.
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