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Safin's Comments about Davydenko

To the russians and europeans out there, why did Safin make such a big deal about Davydenko being from the Ukraine in their Moscow final? Isn't Davydenko listed as a Russian on the atp profile? Or did they really mean soviet?
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To the russians and europeans out there, why did Safin make such a big deal about Davydenko being from the Ukraine in their Moscow final? Isn't Davydenko listed as a Russian on the atp profile? Or did they really mean soviet?
Davydenko was born is Severodonetsk which is situated in Ukraine. And from the nationality (NOT in the meaning of citizenship) he is Ukranian. He chose to play for Russia after the Soviet Union collapsed.

I am not sure if his parents moved somewhere to Russia.

Oh, and Marat said IT WAS A JOKE!!!!!! GEEZ, MARAT WAS JOKING! People were shouting both 'Kolya' and 'Marat' during the final and Marat found it necessary to make a joke after the match.

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so how can he play for russia when he's ukrainian? is ukraine part of russia?
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so how can he play for russia when he's ukrainian? is ukraine part of russia?
You know there was Soviet Union and when it collapsed ppl had choice, which citizenship to choose. I could have chosen Russian citizenship for example but I am an Estonian by nationality and will always be, doesn't depend on my citizenship now or in the future.

And the same as Medvedev who was Russian by nationality choose to play for Ukraine.

I hope you get the idea. Athletes can change citizenship you know, and other people too.
And there wasn't Ukranian or Russian citizenship before. We were all Soviet citizens. Ukraine and Russia were both part of Soviet Union.

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I am not sure if his parents moved somewhere to Russia.

His parents do live in Russia...don't remember where though...

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so how can he play for russia when he's ukrainian? is ukraine part of russia?
Hey haven't you heard of the term immigrants? The chap lived in Moscow for many years and so qualified for Russian citizenship. Tennis is more developed in Russia for juniors then it is in Ukraine. But that did not stop Medvedev, an ethnic Russian from playing for Ukraine where he grew up.
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Hey haven't you heard of the term immigrants? The chap lived in Moscow for many years and so qualified for Russian citizenship. Tennis is more developed in Russia for juniors then it is in Ukraine. But that did not stop Medvedev, an ethnic Russian from playing for Ukraine where he grew up.
Ukraine and Russia were part of USSR but broke up in 1991 before you were born.
Thanks for your help Jim.

I know in the US maybe the terms 'nationality' and 'citizenship' are used as synonyms so maybe it would be better to say that Kolya is of Ukranian ethnicity? I am not sure about in what meaning this word (ethnicity) can be used but I hope you got the idea now lordmanji.
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so how can he play for russia when he's ukrainian? is ukraine part of russia?
How can Kevin Kim play for the USA when he is clearly of Korean descent? Is Korea part of the USA?
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it wouldnt have been so funny if davydenko joked that marat isnt a real russian, and that he is a tatar...but since marat said it, it must be acceptable.
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it wouldnt have been so funny if davydenko joked that marat isnt a real russian, and that he is a tatar...but since marat said it, it must be acceptable.
I'm really tempted to use the :retard: smiley, but I won't. Please refrain from making comments in topics you clearly don't know very much about. Tatar is an ethnicity; Ukrainian is a nationality. Tatars are Russian citizens by birth; Ukrainians aren't. You're making way too big a deal out of this. It would be analogous to, say if Haas lost to Misha Zverev in a final and jokingly berated the crowd for rooting for the kid since he's Russian.

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it wouldnt have been so funny if davydenko joked that marat isnt a real russian, and that he is a tatar...but since marat said it, it must be acceptable.
I think Marat's joke was stupid. The joke about Marat's being tatar would be much worse though, comletely different thing. Marat joked that Kolya is actually FROM Ukrain, it was joke about nationality. Marat was born in russia, his parents, grantparents etc were born in russia and Tatarstan is part of Russia, saying that Marat not russian would be shauvinictic.
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I'm really tempted to use the :retard: smiley, but I won't. Please refrain from making comments in topics you clearly don't know very much about. Tatar is an ethnicity; Ukrainian is a nationality. Tatars are Russian citizens by birth; Ukrainians aren't. You're making way too big a deal out of this. It would be analogous to, say if Haas lost to Misha Zverev in a final and jokingly berated the crowd for rooting for the kid since he's Russian.
no, i actually know that tatar is an ethnicity...

thing is that davydenko DID SAY this a while back in much less harsh terms...

someone asked davy about safin,he said sth to the tune of "safin is a tatar, not a real russian"...it was prolly less harsh than this. but he definately said something like this. maybe someone else can corroborate with me, as i dont have the source where i read it(i read it on this forum).

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no, i actually know that tatar isnt an ethnicity...

thing is that davydenko DID SAY this a while back in much less harsh terms...

someone asked davy about safin,he said sth to the tune of "safin is a tatar, not a real russian"...it was prolly less harsh than this. but he definately said something like this. maybe someone else can corroborate with me, as i dont have the source where i read it(i read it on this forum).
yes, I remember it was in some article. I thought Kolya's comments were a bit strange. Nobody bashed him for that though
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