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Davydenko, Ljubicic and Blake: the working class moves into struggle for a spot in MC

Shanghai is closer for the players who won the three ATP tournaments of the past week. Davydenko (Kremlin Cup winner), Ljubicic (BA-CA tennis trophy back to back winner) and Blake (Stockholm Open back to back winner) moved a step closer to the Masters Cup field. More than someone is saying that those players are not very talented and deserve a spot in Masters Cup just because of their hard work.
Talent is what eggheads and writers from time immemorial have been talking about. But what is the talent? That’s a million dollar question. Talent means a natural endowment, an innate ability of a superior quality. Talent is something extraordinary. And works from talented guys are always stunning. But how do you measure the talent of a player? Is talent alone enough to succeed in high level sports? So many questions today and no answers. Almost anyone who loves tennis knows that nowadays there's just one player who has a brilliant, amazing, glaring, undeniable talent and that's Roger Federer. As you watch him play sometimes you ask yourself how it is possible to do what you just saw him do.
But, you know, apart from Federer, all the top players are more or less skilled, hard workers and fit. So, on what basis con you classify their talent? Does it make sense? So many questions, definitely!

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such a freaking situation. isn't it ?
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Re: Davydenko, Ljubicic and Blake: the working class moves into struggle for a spot in MC

what's to say

you said it all

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such a freaking situation. isn't it ?

Talent is making the difficult look easy

Federer does it better than anyone else

Nadal, Hewitt, Roddick, Sharapova etc... are obviously all very talented but not to the same extent-->> when they play the big shots it looks like hard work... which is easier to relate to

BTW~ Blake is more talented than the above mentioned group but until now he hasn`t come close to realising his potential~ time will tell if he can make the most of it & win a Slam... same goes for Nalbandian
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Fed is also a hard worker, I am sure... talent is the one thing, but without work Roger certainly wouldn't be in the same position he is today...
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Ljubicic is not in much of a struggle he is in good shape with 3 more indoor tournys

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I think Ljubicic and Davydenko can book their tickets to the TMC. I don't see any struggle for those two I'd also be shocked if Blake didn't make it to the TMC.



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Blake (Stockholm Open back to back winner) moved a step closer to the Masters Cup field.
I am surprised that you include Blake who seems a highly talented player by anybodys definition of talent.

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Talent is anything you can do with the ball that wins you the point - I suppose degrees of talent depend on exactly what you do with said ball. It doesn't extend to off-court training and physical fitness, mental toughness etc., it relates entirely to your game during points. And all of those players you list have talent deserving of a place in the TMC.

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I am surprised that you include Blake who seems a highly talented player by anybodys definition of talent.
Maybe yoy're right, James is talented, but non at all IMO.
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This thread died when people started posting.

I might say something later, but I think I'll go to sleep right now.

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[QUOTE=General Suburbia;4310326]This thread died when people started posting.

WHAT ARE TRYING TO SAY ? You post something and the thread will die. More or less. I can't figure it out, sorry.
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