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Talking The Original Most Accomplished Players on the ATP

I thought it would be fun to do a list analagous to the one I have for WTA World, as it seems more posters have been debating who is greater than who on the tour currently.

Accomplishments, as I see it, are based on Slam count, ranking, Masters titles, number of total titles, in that order. The players have to be active in the last year, so Guga didn't make the list. Sjeng Schalken will probably fall off it by February.

No suprise that Federer is the most accomplished. Surprising that his nemesis, Nadal, is not #2. Unlike the WTA, there is only one player adept at both singles & doubles these days--Jonas Bjorkman.

It will be interesting to see how this list changes in the next year.

Updated for: 6/11/07

I probably made some errors, you may kindly point them out. Otherwise, discuss



1. Roger FEDERER, 25. 10 Slams, 13 Masters, 2 Master Cups, 23 other singles. 7 doubles. #1 for 164 weeks. Year end #1: 2004-2006. Current rank: 1

2. Rafael NADAL, 21. 3 Slams. 1 other Slam final. 9 Masters. 9 other singles. 3 doubles. HR: #2. Current rank: 2

3. Lleyton HEWITT, 25. 2 Slams. 2 other Slam finals. 1 Slam Doubles. 2 Masters. 2 Master Cups. 22 others singles. 1 other doubles. #1 for 80 weeks. Year end #1: 2001 & 2002. Current rank: 16

4. Marat SAFIN, 26. 2 Slams. 2 other Slam finals. 5 Masters. 8 other singles. 1 doubles. #1 for 9 weeks. Current rank: 24

5. Andy RODDICK, 24. 1 Slam. 3 other Slam finals. 4 Masters. 16 other singles. 3 doubles. HR: #1 for 13 weeks. Year end #1: 2003. Current rank: 5

6. Juan Carlos FERRERO, 26. 1 Slam. 2 other Slam finals. 4 Masters. 6 others singles. HR:#1 for 8 weeks. Current rank: 19

7. Carlos MOYA, 30. 1 Slam. 1 other Slam final. 3 Masters. 15 other singles. #1 for 2 weeks. Current rank: 21

8. Gaston GAUDIO, 27. 1 Slam. 7 others singles. 2 doubles. HR: #5. Current rank: 99

9. Thomas JOHANSSON, 31. 1 Slam. 1 Masters. 7 other singles. 1 doubles. HR: #7. Current rank: 76

10. Nicolas MASSU, 27. 2 Olympics Gold Medal (1 in singles, 1 in doubles). 5 other singles. HR#9. Current rank: 50

11. Mark PHILIPPOUSSIS, 29. 2 Slam Finals. 1 Masters. 10 other singles. 3 doubles. HR: #8. Current rank: 134

12. Guillermo CORIA, 25. 1 Slam Finals. 2 Masters. 7 other singles. HR: #3. Current rank: 344

13. David NALBANDIAN, 25. 1 Slam Finals. 1 Masters Cup. 4 others singles. 1 doubles. HR:#3. Current rank: 25

14. Fernando GONZALEZ, 26. 1 Slam Final. 6 singles. HR: #5 Current rank: 6

15. Ranier SCHUETTLER, 31. 1 Slam Final. 4 singles. 2 doubles. HR: #5. Current rank: 144

16. Arnaud CLEMENT, 29. 1 Slam Final. 4 singles. 1 Masters doubles. 3 others doubles. HR: #10. Current rank: 43

17. Marcos BAGHDATIS, 21. 1 Slam Final. 2 titles. HR. #8. Current rank: 18

18. Martin VERKERK, 27. 1 Slam Final. 2 titles. HR. #14. Current rank: 660

19. Tim HENMAN, 32. 6 Slam SFs. 1 Masters. 10 others titles. 1 Masters doubles. 3 other doubles. HR: #4. Current rank: 54

20. Sebastien, GROSJEAN, 29. 4 Slam SFs. 1 Masters. 2 other titles. HR. #4. Current rank: 69

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GM is just getting worse and worse.

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Re: The 20 Most Accomplished Active Players on the ATP

Where is Henman?????

GOOD LUCK: Safin, Murray, Ancic, Gasquet, Tipsarevic, Tsonga, Isner, Santoro.
BOO: Puerta, Davydenko, Kiefer, Ljubicic, Canas and all the DOPERS.

There is also a very special place in my heart for the three greatest WTA players of all time ---- Martina Hingis, Lindsay Davenport, and Monica Seles!!!
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Moya's slam was better than Roddick's.

Therefore Moya should be above Roddick.
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3. Marat SAFIN, 26. 2 Slams. 5 Masters. 8 other singles. 1 doubles. #1 for 9 weeks.

4. Rafael NADAL, 20. 2 Slams. 6 Masters. 9 other singles. 3 doubles. HR: #2.


8. Gaston GAUDIO, 27. 1 Slam. 7 others singles. 2 doubles. HR: #5.

9. Thomas JOHANNSON, 31. 1 Slam. 1 Masters. 7 other singles. 1 doubles. HR: #7.
Overall feel that Nadal should be ahead of Safin. Surely, 1 master title, 1 other single and 2 doubles extra is worth more than a number 1 ranking?

Johannson with a master title should be ahead of Gaudio. In other respects records similar.

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 17 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.
Nadal 14 GS, 27 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 9 GS, 4 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.


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Surely Roddick has more Masters (i think 4 instead of 3) than you have listed there, Schalken hasn't reached a GS final (only semi final so should instantly be lower on the list :P), and you base the entire ranking entirely on GS records..One day flies like Verkerk should be lower ranked, although with most of your top I tend to agree.
Would switch Ferrero with moya btw

And Dr Jules...surely Nadal isnt ahead of Safin yet..for godsake. Safin has 2 different grand slams, which I think is better than what Nadal has achieved, has 2 GS Finals and lots of Semis and Quarters too...nadal has only his Wimby final outside of RG...

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You put too much emphasis on Slam-Results(non-wins) . I wouldn't put Martin Verkerk anywhere near the top50, let alone top20.

And Schalken has reached a Slam-Final ? Which one ?
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Sjeng in a slam final?

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Re: The 20 Most Accomplished Active Players on the ATP

1 Federer
2 Hewitt
3 Nadal
4 Safin
5 Roddick
6 Moya
7 Johansson
8 Gaudio
9 Nalbandian
10 Henman
11 Haas
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And Dr Jules...surely Nadal isnt ahead of Safin yet..for godsake. Safin has 2 different grand slams, which I think is better than what Nadal has achieved, has 2 GS Finals and lots of Semis and Quarters too...nadal has only his Wimby final outside of RG...
I am basing it on the win figures listed.

Obviously, winning different grand slams is better than winning the same event. It shows a player's ability to adapt to different surfaces and conditions.

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 17 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.
Nadal 14 GS, 27 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 9 GS, 4 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.


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Re: The 20 Most Accomplished Active Players on the ATP

Schuettler, Clement, Verkerk...

You've prioritised having one good year over having lots of good years, which to me exemplifies have a successful career. Wheres Henman?

the rest of the list seems good to me

Andy Murray ~ Richard Gasquet ***David Nalbandian*** Rafael Nadal ~ Gilles Simon
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Cheech Marin should be there.

0-17 in GS is something that should be celebrated.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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No suprise that Federer is the most accomplished. Surprising that his nemesis, Nadal, is not #2.

The position of Nadal is purely a result of his age.

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 17 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.
Nadal 14 GS, 27 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 9 GS, 4 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.


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Cheech Marin should be there.

0-17 in GS is something that should be celebrated.
What a shame he didnt beat Sampras that time in RG, a 1-17 record with the one win against Pete would be classicly ironic

Andy Murray ~ Richard Gasquet ***David Nalbandian*** Rafael Nadal ~ Gilles Simon
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Finalist: 15 (Buenos Aires '12, Stockholm '11, Barcelona '11, Queen's 09, Nottingham '08, Las Vegas '08, Adelaide '08, Tokyo '06, St Poelten '06, Australian Open '05, St Poelten '05, Newport '05, Wimbledon '04, Houston '04, Basel '04)
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What a shame he didnt beat Sampras that time in RG, a 1-17 record with the one win against Pete would be classicly ironic
He had his chances, that is the sad thing about that match.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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