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post #16 of 36 (permalink) Old 10-13-2006, 06:31 PM
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Roddick will beat Ivan in the final, Ivan who has been in poor form since probably wimbledon. Ivan who went out first round at USO and Ivan who will lose points when he doesn't win this title. Roddick will be number 3 going in Madrid.

Sorry to break it to you but Ivan or any player cant lose Race points...

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Sorry to break it to you but Ivan or any player cant lose Race points...
Oh really!?

Cuz I was talking about year end entry ranking...foooooo dog! I wasn't talking about the race, buuutt yea he will lose entry ranking points if he doesn't win this tournment. Sucka!

Sides, he will behind in the race too...so I mean in away he's giving points up to Roddick or losing points if he doesn't win this tourney and Roddick does. Sucka foo!

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At the end of the year № 3 in the race is the # 3 ranked player in the world.
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I dont think some people realize that the race ranking will be next year begining rankings. The only difference will be the top 8 players in the TMC will be able to add to their ranking points since there's 750 ranking points to grab or 150 race points.
I don't quite get how that works. How does the rankings system then balance itself out? I'm probably wrong, but explain this to me.

Let's say Nalbandian doesn't get into the TMC but still stays #4 in the world. Since he wasn't able to qualify in the Master's Cup, does that mean next year he starts outside of the top 8 in the world? What happened to all his points he accumulated in the progress? Do they just disappear to take him outside of the top 8? According to the ATPtennis.com faq, the race only determines the world #1.

I'm pretty sure there's a difference between the race points and the [World Ranking] Indesit ATP rankings. I was under the impression that the race only determined who qualified for the Master's Cup, not specifically a player's overall Rankings. Roddick's current ATP rank is 6. If he overcomes Ljubo in the race rankings, does that mean next year he starts out at #3? The only way I see this not happening is if the year-end rankings determined by the race suddenly drop and everything is shifted back to normal the beginning of next year.

Unless you're talking about something else entirely and not distinguishing between ATP world rank and the ATP race rankings.

Indesit World rankings: http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/rankings/entrysystem/
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Ljubicic will beat Roddick in the final and will keep his number 3 spot.
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I expect Roddick to end the year number 3. I think he may even threaten Nadal's number 2 spot next year.

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 19 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 26 Master Series.
Nadal 15 GS, 30 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 12 GS, 5 Year End Masters, 30 Master Series.


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Hopefully!

If he continues in good form he has a chance to.

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Ljubicic on playing like crazy....we will have Duck for lunch on Sunday

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the ATP should just throw out Madrid, Lyon, Paris, and Shangai and just announce the year-end #3 Sunday in Vienna.

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I don't quite get how that works. How does the rankings system then balance itself out? I'm probably wrong, but explain this to me.

Let's say Nalbandian doesn't get into the TMC but still stays #4 in the world. Since he wasn't able to qualify in the Master's Cup, does that mean next year he starts outside of the top 8 in the world? What happened to all his points he accumulated in the progress? Do they just disappear to take him outside of the top 8? According to the ATPtennis.com faq, the race only determines the world #1.

I'm pretty sure there's a difference between the race points and the [World Ranking] Indesit ATP rankings. I was under the impression that the race only determined who qualified for the Master's Cup, not specifically a player's overall Rankings. Roddick's current ATP rank is 6. If he overcomes Ljubo in the race rankings, does that mean next year he starts out at #3? The only way I see this not happening is if the year-end rankings determined by the race suddenly drop and everything is shifted back to normal the beginning of next year.

Unless you're talking about something else entirely and not distinguishing between ATP world rank and the ATP race rankings.

Indesit World rankings: http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/rankings/entrysystem/
ATP race rankings: http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/rankings/championsrace/
The only way the entry rankings would be different than the race points is if someone played futures or challengers and got entry ranking points that way. That only applies to the more lowly ranked players.

Just wait and see for next year. The top ten players at the end of the race are going to be the top ten players in the entry rankings. There is a difference in the entry rankings and the race up until the very end of the year.

I didn't quite understand your example about Nalbandian.
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Ljubicic on playing like crazy....we will have Duck for lunch on Sunday
It could be Andy having roast turkey with mlinci for lunch.
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Roddick will end no.3 in Entry and race, in entry Ljubicic will have to defend Vienna, 2 TMS finals and some points from TMC, Roddick have only Lyon, SF in TMS Paris, can take mass of points in Madrid and TMC.

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answer: who gives a f*ck

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Roddick will end no.3 in Entry and race, in entry Ljubicic will have to defend Vienna, 2 TMS finals and some points from TMC, Roddick have only Lyon, SF in TMS Paris, can take mass of points in Madrid and TMC.
Ivan does not have to defend 2 TMS finals..Its all about the Race and in the Race..you get all the points in TMS and Grand Slams....its only on optionals. 5th best...this is done so players like Davydenko dont load up with millions of pts playing every week in some bs touny...

at this point of the season..the entry means nothing for the top 8 players...

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Oh I cant wait till Sunday when Roddick whoops cream face a new one.


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Ivan does not have to defend 2 TMS finals..Its all about the Race and in the Race..you get all the points in TMS and Grand Slams....its only on optionals. 5th best...this is done so players like Davydenko dont load up with millions of pts playing every week in some bs touny...

at this point of the season..the entry means nothing for the top 8 players...
While both rankings will synchronize in several weeks before TMC. entry rankings are still important cuz there are people who do care about hitting career high, unlike Federer or Nadal. Roddick vs Lujbicic will be interesting to see esp this week.
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