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Will Federer reach #2 on the Open Era Titles list in 2017?

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#1 · (Edited)
Roger currently has 89. Coach Ivan Lendl is currently #2 with 94. Jimmy Connors is #1 with 109.

Assuming no injuries that cause him to need time away from the tour this year, do you think 35-36 year old Roger will do it (vote head not heart)?
Why or why not?

Respectfully,
masterclass
 
#3 ·
I don't think so. 5 is a lot, and I can see him skipping some smaller tournaments this year. Most likely he'll get it next year, assuming he's healthy and fit.

If he plays until 2018, there is also a chance he'll give a push for Connor's record, I'm sure that's what he aims to achieve when he's not capable of winning slams anymore. That would make him the record holder of both most GS titles and most titles. GOAT.
 
#6 ·
At that level, it's not how many titles you win (Connors won a lot of small tourneys) but which ones. As long as Fed has the lead in GS titles, all's good - no sense in knocking himself out to win anything but GSs. Maybe he should take more breaks seeing as how the last one worked out.
 
#8 ·
I can see him winning Dubai, Stuttgurt, Halle, Wimbledon, Cincinatti, Shanghai, Basel and WTF this year. Out of those 8 events, I think he will win at least 4 which would put him on 93 titles. i think he will just fall short this year but next season he will surpass Ivan probably.
 
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I can see him winning Dubai, Stuttgurt, Halle, Wimbledon, Cincinatti, Shanghai, Basel and WTF this year. Out of those 8 events, I think he will win at least 4 which would put him on 93 titles. i think he will just fall short this year but next season he will surpass Ivan probably.
That scenario would be a wet dream for his fans. I understand the optimism but could see a letdown instead after this huge career win he's just had.
 
#12 ·
It's possible but I always err on the pessimistic side with Roger, that way I'm always wowed. He needs 6 titles to actually overtake Lendl but there are only three tournaments you would say he is the out and out favourite to win from the start: Stuttgart, Halle and Basel. Even at the first two there are chances he could be upset by Zverev (Alexander), Goffin, Thiem, people like that. So then, assuming he wins those three, he has a chance to win any of Dubai, IW, Wimbledon, Rogers Cup, US Open, Shanghai, Paris (if he entered) Cincinnati, WTF. These are less likely and much more difficult to win.

So it's entirely possible but I would expect him to finish more around the 92 mark.
 
#15 ·
It's possible but I always err on the pessimistic side with Roger, that way I'm always wowed. He needs 6 titles to actually overtake Lendl but there are only three tournaments you would say he is the out and out favourite to win from the start: Stuttgart, Halle and Basel. Even at the first two there are chances he could be upset by Zverev (Alexander), Goffin, Thiem, people like that. So then, assuming he wins those three, he has a chance to win any of Dubai, IW, Wimbledon, Rogers Cup, US Open, Shanghai, Paris (if he entered) Cincinnati, WTF. These are less likely and much more difficult to win.

So it's entirely possible but I would expect him to finish more around the 92 mark.
Goffin or Thiem upset him on grass?
Highly unlikely.

He can be upset by big hitters with big serves on grass, as almost all his loses on the surface suggest (Raonic, Tsonga, the Stakhovsky incident). Without considering Nole or Andy, they obviously can upset him.
 
#13 ·
He can easily grab five more titles to match the #2 record. That's pretty much out of the question.

Connors' record does seem a bit out of reach to be honest, but Roger might as well go full Thiem mode and vulture some 250's :grin2:

(I can only imagine a Federer-Berlocq Buenos Aires final, the true clash of kings)
 
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#16 · (Edited)
I mean who can tell after this shocking win. Seems like he's up to win almost any tournament if he wins AO, but considering his age we can't expect him to be in full force all year long. I actually think AO was kind of an outlier and the rest of the year will still be tough. But if he can grab 3 or so and do the same next year then he can make it.

edit: oh wait, missed the 2017 part. That seems like a stretch.
 
#17 · (Edited)
No.

People need to understand that Federer is not just old as fuck. He is simply just not as driven and focused on tennis as he was at age 25.

Dude is just playing for fun, money and the attention he receives all around the world. Winning tournaments and breaking records is just not his main interest these days.
 
#25 · (Edited)
Old!? I'm not even going comment on that, BUT.....

Federer lost to Del Potro in the Quarterfinals, but Murray's hip injury and pulling out altogether will cost him the #2 ranked player, and he was only 5 points ahead of Federer.

Nadal is CLEARLY the best player in the world (right now), and after the U.S. Open results, Federer will (rightfully) move into the #2 position with Andy Murray at #3 and Stan Wawrinka remaining at #4.
 
#19 · (Edited)
After him winning the Australian Open this year, one hopes that tennis fans, including his own, will not underestimate the Swiss Maestro again.

1. After the 6 month layoff, he arguably has played brilliantly and he just started. There is room for more consistency in his play as he plays more matches.
2. The conditions look like they are changing to speed up the slow play of the last few years and that favors him against most of his rivals.
3. Tennis makes a lot of money when he makes finals.

Of course one cannot ignore the competition from both veterans and youngsters.
Federer had 6 titles in his last full season in 2015 and was only stopped by #1 peaking Djokovic in finals from getting 5 more, including 2 majors (WC, USO), 2 Masters 1000 (IW and Rome), and the World Tour Finals, and Roger is playing arguably better than he was then, and Novak worse.

There are several question marks regarding this year's competition, namely starting with Novak and Sir Andy. One can't help but think Juan Martin Del Potro is going to come on strongly from the mid to end of year. Stan the Man looked pretty good in Australia but has never been known as a consistently high performing player. Dimitrov has to back up his early play this year to provide a solid threat. Obviously RAFA can be a threat at his best tournaments if healthy and determined. We don't know if #NextGen youngsters like Zverev, Kyrgios will suddenly improve or not, and we don't know how the #LostGen players like Raonic, Nishikori, Thiem, Goffin will do.

Roger is in the latter half of his 36th year, completing it in August, so we don't know exactly how much he'll play, but probably all of the majors, and the tournaments in which he typically does well. He is keeping everyone guessing regarding his schedule, definitely not showing his cards for a good reason, and it is not because of injury... He is very excited about the Laver Cup and is eager to see the venture succeed. He is going to show that tennis can be played and enjoyed and money can be made aside from the tour.

Of course, who can predict the future without even knowing the draws and changes that can come throughout the year, but after gazing into my crystal ball, I'll reveal that he can win at least 6 titles this year, but not more than 12, with highlights including at least 1 more major and the WTF, and none will be a 250.

 
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#20 ·
After him winning the Australian Open this year, one hopes that tennis fans, including his own, will not underestimate the Swiss Maestro again.

1. After the 6 month layoff, he arguably has played brilliantly and he just started. There is room for more consistency in his play as he plays more matches.
2. The conditions look like they are changing to speed up the slow play of the last few years and that favors him against most of his rivals.
3. Tennis makes a lot of money when he makes finals.

Of course one cannot ignore the competition from both veterans and youngsters.
Federer had 6 titles in his last full season in 2015 and was only stopped by #1 peaking Djokovic in finals from getting 5 more, including 2 majors (WC, USO), 2 Masters 1000 (IW and Rome), and the World Tour Finals, and Roger is playing arguably better than he was then, and Novak worse.

There are several question marks regarding this year's competition, namely starting with Novak and Sir Andy. One can't help but think Juan Martin Del Potro is going to come on strongly from the mid to end of year. Stan the Man looked pretty good in Australia but has never been known as a consistently high performing player. Dimitrov has to back up his early play this year to provide a solid threat. Obviously RAFA can be a threat at his best tournaments if healthy and determined. We don't know if #NextGen youngsters like Zverev, Kyrgios will suddenly improve or not, and we don't know how the #LostGen players like Raonic, Nishikori, Thiem, Goffin will do.

Roger is in the latter half of his 36th year, completing it in August, so we don't know exactly how much he'll play, but probably all of the majors, and the tournaments in which he typically does well. He is keeping everyone guessing regarding his schedule, definitely not showing his cards for a good reason, and it is not because of injury... He is very excited about the Laver Cup and is eager to see the venture succeed. He is going to show that tennis can be played and enjoyed and money can be made aside from the tour.

Of course, who can predict the future without even knowing the draws and changes that can come throughout the year, but after gazing into my crystal ball, I'll reveal that he can win at least 6 titles this year, but not more than 12, with highlights including at least 1 more major and the WTF, and none will be a 250.

Oh my.
You are slowly turning into a Pepita.
 
#28 ·
Well, not bad, not bad Mr. Federer. One would hope you made the naysayers in this thread more humble.

Add the Shanghai Masters 1000 and the Basel Swiss Indoors ATP 500 to this year's titles won list and Federer not only reached but surpassed the great Ivan Lendl title haul this year winning his 95th title for sole possession of 2nd place, only behind the 109 of the Brash Basher of Belleville, Jimmy Connors.

#96 at the Tour Finals certainly looked possible after the round robin portion given the remaining opposition, but against Goffin, Roger looked like he ran out of gas after the first set, and may have had a physical issue based on his lack of practice between matches, combined with David Goffin playing better than expected against the Swiss Maestro.

So even though the Tour Finals part of the revelation failed, the rest worked out quite well.

7 titles in 2017, including 2 GS, 3 Masters 1000, and 2 ATP 500 events with a 91.2 match winning percentage, his best since 2006 and 4th best overall. And who knows, at the risk of sounding a bit greedy, IF Federer had a little better preparation and luck in the North American swing, more match wins and titles might have been found. The back problems at the tail end of Montreal cost him a good chance in the final vs. Zverev, and cost him from even playing his historical best Masters - Cincinnati.

But despite that period and the Tour Finals result, I'm absolutely sure that considering everything, the #2 in the world, Roger Federer is ecstatic about his 2017 season.

He and Rafa made good work of their opportunities this year, and that's all one can ask for. :worship:

Respectfully,
masterclass
 
#29 ·
Well, not bad, not bad Mr. Federer. One would hope you made the naysayers in this thread more humble.

Add the Shanghai Masters 1000 and the Basel Swiss Indoors ATP 500 to this year's titles won list and Federer not only reached but surpassed the great Ivan Lendl title haul this year winning his 95th title for sole possession of 2nd place, only behind the 109 of the Brash Basher of Belleville, Jimmy Connors.
More importantly, Federer has a great chance to surpass half the record of Mr. Rod Laver's count ;) (and all-time record from what I know, even Pancho Gonzales and Ken Rosewall are far from this montruous grand total of 200 titles). Well, I'm not taking it too seriously, I coundn't find a reliable source on how many match wins these 200 titles are related too. I can figure half of them are probably lesser tournaments, but 200 is still damn impressive.

By the way, which one of the Connors official marks could Federer pass first, his match wins (~1256) or titles count (109) ?
The inconvenient with the match wins is that it would be an unclear record if Federer get it : at each mark reached (1249, 1256, 1259... until at least 14xx), someone will be able to say Federer didn't catch the "real" record.

For the all-time career match wins record, Laver, Rosewall and Gonzales are probably the best candidates but I don't know if there is even an estimation of these numbers.
 
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