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But what a shocking collapse from Goffin in the third set, out of nowhere really.
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For me, his career needs to be about maximizing his potential, there are certain things he cannot change about himself, and thankfully for him - unlike many on this board - he believes there is more to tennis than firepower and height, and he doesn't fret to capitalize on what he has. As long as he keeps pushing his own boundaries which the players with easy power are less likely to do as they have abundant of that "talent", he'll wind up as a very unorthodox player who left his mark among the elite, and for me that's good enough. Top Ten is his singular, most worthy achievement to this date and no one can take that bit of history away from him.
Ok, wait a minute, he is actually 1.80m high, that's not short at all. I even searched for a picture of him side to side with Tsonga in the prize ceremony and it's probably correct. I allways thought he was short, must be his infantile face.

So, I guess he just lacks a stronger frame.

Yes, there is more than firepower and height, Coria is a prime example of that, though he played in an era where those attributes weren't as dominant, at least, not on clay.

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Horrific result for tennis. Tennis dies a little bit with every title Tsonga wins. Also Goffin's mental game is just

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Re: Rotterdam F: Tsonga def Goffin 4-6 6-4 6-1

Tsonga is so annoying.

Better luck next time David.

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Too bad David cound't take the title here, he had to get it done in 2 and nearly did. He played a wonderful 1st set, then Tsonga woke up in the 2nd as he always does and it was very closely contested until the blowout 3rd set. Still, great week for David, of course he needs more titles (2 is really not enough for a player of his calibre) . Take some time off and prepare for IW-Miami, where he's defending a lot pts. I don't think he'll be able to defend them all but as long as he stays the course, he should still at least stay within respectable distance of the top 10. One of Monfils-Thiem is bound to fall off. I suspect Dimitrov will make his way into the top 10 soon though.

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Nice for Tsonga to get a title, but I don't know how he did it when he's not at his peak anymore.

Too bad for David to lose another final, good effort, just ran out of gas in set 3 because of BTB finals, great for him even though he did not win.

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Well that was bittersweet from Goffin after finally breaking Top 10 by reaching the Final. You just saw how disappointed he was at the end, he really would love to finally win a title and in a 500 in that, beating a player who was a Top 10 regular before, and is a winnable match for him. But alas, he has still much to develop, as his game just went downward per Set, while Jo actually I felt just kept his level from the 1st Set, or just adjusted enough to get the win. But hey, Tsonga's peak is high and him finding the range makes it hard for other players to step up.

1st Set was a Goffin masterclass I felt, full flowing Goffin that made Tsonga comfortable and not find his range. Could've been a bagel if Goffin kept GOATing every point because he really did well there. However, an issue that he may regret later, that Goffin put his foot out of the pedal a bit after the 2nd break, and got broken. Did OK to serve it out, but signs of form dropping was there.

2nd Set was tight, but you just felt Goffin wasn't as commanding as he was in the 1st Set. Started to struggle a bit on serve, and Tsonga's FH improved a bit. Wasn't able to even produce a BP, and when the final service game where at times he just can't handle Tsonga's FH, he really had to get out of that game I felt for him to feel OK, but he just didn't seem to find the right game to get the upper hand. 3rd Set had Tsonga just got his teeth to the match and Goffin just didn't get escape. The moment the 1st serve left he practically lost the point -- and he has few of them in that Set. Net play wasn't good too in this time. Tsonga was serving quite well in the latter parts which helps him put the pressure. The BH at times was good, probably not helping Goffin confidence. Tsonga's experience and physicality just was strong and was able to get the win.

For Tsonga it was a good win especially against players like Berdych, Cilic and Goffin on his path. Has been playing good these first weeks and actually may get back into the Top 10 with some good results. For Goffin though, I say he was a bit tired after playing 2 back to back tournaments and reaching Finals. Still, I do agree he must stay sharp and aggressive, because when he did he had the upperhand at times, but for now it is time to focus on the positives and look forward on what he improve as a new Top 10er.



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Well that was bittersweet from Goffin after finally breaking Top 10 by reaching the Final. You just saw how disappointed he was at the end, he really would love to finally win a title and in a 500 in that, beating a player who was a Top 10 regular before, and is a winnable match for him. But alas, he has still much to develop, as his game just went downward per Set, while Jo actually I felt just kept his level from the 1st Set, or just adjusted enough to get the win. But hey, Tsonga's peak is high and him finding the range makes it hard for other players to step up.

1st Set was a Goffin masterclass I felt, full flowing Goffin that made Tsonga comfortable and not find his range. Could've been a bagel if Goffin kept GOATing every point because he really did well there. However, an issue that he may regret later, that Goffin put his foot out of the pedal a bit after the 2nd break, and got broken. Did OK to serve it out, but signs of form dropping was there.

2nd Set was tight, but you just felt Goffin wasn't as commanding as he was in the 1st Set. Started to struggle a bit on serve, and Tsonga's FH improved a bit. Wasn't able to even produce a BP, and when the final service game where at times he just can't handle Tsonga's FH, he really had to get out of that game I felt for him to feel OK, but he just didn't seem to find the right game to get the upper hand. 3rd Set had Tsonga just got his teeth to the match and Goffin just didn't get escape. The moment the 1st serve left he practically lost the point -- and he has few of them in that Set. Net play wasn't good too in this time. Tsonga was serving quite well in the latter parts which helps him put the pressure. The BH at times was good, probably not helping Goffin confidence. Tsonga's experience and physicality just was strong and was able to get the win.

For Tsonga it was a good win especially against players like Berdych, Cilic and Goffin on his path. Has been playing good these first weeks and actually may get back into the Top 10 with some good results. For Goffin though, I say he was a bit tired after playing 2 back to back tournaments and reaching Finals. Still, I do agree he must stay sharp and aggressive, because when he did he had the upperhand at times, but for now it is time to focus on the positives and look forward on what he improve as a new Top 10er.
If it isn't addressed soon enough, might end up being his Achilles heel: losing from a winning position because he reduced his intensity - that Raonic loss against Wimbly particularly hurts.

...Let me regurgitate: that traditional tennis mentality of breaking serve once and just focusing on holding your own for the rest of the set just doesn't work well against the top players these days. He has to lift his baseline level of intensity during matches like the top guys. Federer is a GOAT frontrunner because he doesn't slack off. Nadal trained himself to play every point as if it were a match-point - that is how he won outside clay. These are psychological shifts and are entirely possible. His best, most focused and intense tennis has to be the consistent one he should play match by match and his body must simultaneously be trained to sustain that sort of intensity. Basically, practice with intensity.

If its going to be a passive little Goffin against booming forehands, it will never be pretty, and this top-ten run will be short-lived. And I do hope his coach somehow understands this weakness and expedites that aspect of his mental attitude because sadly his demeanor just doesn't suggest he's still grasped he's now handling a world-class player!

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@Roger the Dodger It is actually reiterate, not regurgitate (which is gross. ). But anyway, I agree that maybe a model he could copy in terms of intensity is Ferrer. The guy just gives every game 100% most of the time to compensate things missing in his game and it made him get 30+ titles. I feel Goffin does less crosscourt than Ferrer does so finishing points quicker for him seems easier to me, just needs to find the intensity that is all.



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