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Too many hard court tourneys = cause of injuries!! #@@#~Make them grass/carpet/clay??

Here is the current ATP schedule~~>> seems there are far too many hard court tournaments, which are the major cause of player injuries (I believe) . Then there should be a shift back towards more grass/carpet/clay tourneys

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DATE TOURNAMENT & LOCATION SURFACE PRIZE MONEY DRAW WINNERS

1/2/2006 Adelaide
Australia
International Series Outdoor
Hard $419,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Serra, Florent
Erlich, Jonathan /
Ram, Andy

1/2/2006 Doha
Qatar
International Series Outdoor
Hard $1,000,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Federer, Roger
Bjorkman, Jonas /
Mirnyi, Max

1/2/2006 Chennai
India
International Series Outdoor
Hard $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Ljubicic, Ivan
Mertinak, Michal /
Pala, Petr

1/9/2006 Sydney
Australia
International Series Outdoor
Hard $419,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Blake, James
Santoro, Fabrice /
Zimonjic, Nenad

1/9/2006 Auckland
New Zealand
International Series Outdoor
Hard $430,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Nieminen, Jarkko
Pavel, Andrei /
Wassen, Rogier

1/16/2006 Australian Open
Australia
Grand Slam Outdoor

Hard $6,784,589 Sgl 128
Dbl 64 Federer, Roger
Bryan, Bob /
Bryan, Mike
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1/30/2006 Vina del Mar
Chile
International Series Outdoor
Clay $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Acasuso, Jose
Acasuso, Jose /
Prieto, Sebastian

1/30/2006 Delray Beach
FL, U.S.A.
International Series Outdoor
Hard $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Haas, Tommy
Knowles, Mark /
Nestor, Daniel

1/30/2006 Zagreb
Croatia
International Series Indoor
Carpet $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Ljubicic, Ivan
Levinsky, Jaroslav /
Mertinak, Michal

2/13/2006 Buenos Aires
Argentina
International Series Outdoor
Clay $425,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Moya, Carlos
Cermak, Frantisek /
Friedl, Leos

2/13/2006 Marseille
France
International Series Indoor
Hard $600,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Clement, Arnaud
Damm, Martin /
Stepanek, Radek

2/13/2006 San Jose
CA, U.S.A.
International Series Indoor
Hard $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Murray, Andy
Bjorkman, Jonas /
McEnroe, John

2/20/2006 Rotterdam
The Netherlands
International Series Gold Indoor
Hard $925,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Stepanek, Radek
Hanley, Paul /
Ullyett, Kevin

2/20/2006 Memphis
TN, U.S.A.
International Series Gold Indoor
Hard $690,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Haas, Tommy
Haggard, Chris /
Karlovic, Ivo

2/20/2006 Costa Do Sauipe
Brasil
International Series Outdoor
Clay $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Massu, Nicolas
Dlouhy, Lukas /
Vizner, Pavel

2/27/2006 Dubai
U.A.E.
International Series Gold Outdoor
Hard $1,000,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Nadal, Rafael
Hanley, Paul /
Ullyett, Kevin

2/27/2006 Acapulco
Mexico
International Series Gold Outdoor
Clay $690,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Horna, Luis
Cermak, Frantisek /
Friedl, Leos

2/27/2006 Las Vegas
NV, U.S.A.
International Series Outdoor
Hard $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Blake, James
Bryan, Bob /
Bryan, Mike

3/6/2006 ATP Masters Series Indian Wells
CA, U.S.A.
Tennis Masters Series Outdoor
Hard $3,169,600 Sgl 96
Dbl 32 Federer, Roger
Knowles, Mark /
Nestor, Daniel


3/20/2006 ATP Masters Series Miami
FL, U.S.A.
Tennis Masters Series Outdoor
Hard $3,450,000 Sgl 96
Dbl 32 Federer, Roger
Bjorkman, Jonas /
Mirnyi, Max


4/10/2006 Houston
TX, U.S.A.
International Series Outdoor
Clay $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Fish, Mardy
Kohlmann, Michael /
Waske, Alexander

4/10/2006 Valencia
Spain
International Series Outdoor
Clay $400,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Almagro, Nicolas
Skoch, David /
Zib, Tomas

4/17/2006 ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo
Monaco
Tennis Masters Series Outdoor
Clay $2,450,000 Sgl 64
Dbl 24 Nadal, Rafael
Bjorkman, Jonas /
Mirnyi, Max


4/24/2006 Barcelona
Spain
International Series Gold Outdoor
Clay $1,000,000 Sgl 56
Dbl 24 Nadal, Rafael
Knowles, Mark /
Nestor, Daniel

4/24/2006 Casablanca
Morocco
International Series Outdoor
Clay $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Bracciali, Daniele
Knowle, Julian /
Melzer, Jurgen

5/1/2006 Munich
Germany
International Series Outdoor
Clay $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Rochus, Olivier
Pavel, Andrei /
Waske, Alexander

5/1/2006 Estoril
Portugal
International Series Outdoor
Clay $625,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Nalbandian, David
Dlouhy, Lukas /
Vizner, Pavel

5/8/2006 ATP Masters Series Rome
Italy
Tennis Masters Series Outdoor
Clay $2,450,000 Sgl 64
Dbl 24 Nadal, Rafael
Knowles, Mark /
Nestor, Daniel


5/15/2006 ATP Masters Series Hamburg
Germany
Tennis Masters Series Outdoor
Clay $2,450,000 Sgl 64
Dbl 24 Robredo, Tommy
Hanley, Paul /
Ullyett, Kevin


5/22/2006 Poertschach
Austria
International Series Outdoor
Clay $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Davydenko, Nikolay
Hanley, Paul /
Thomas, Jim

5/22/2006 World Team Championship
Dusseldorf, Germany
World Team Cup Outdoor
Clay $1,764,706 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Karlovic, Ivo
Kohlmann, Michael /
Waske, Alexander

5/29/2006 Roland Garros
France
Grand Slam Outdoor
Clay $8,543,700 Sgl 128
Dbl 64 Nadal, Rafael
Bjorkman, Jonas /
Mirnyi, Max


6/12/2006 Halle
Germany
International Series Outdoor
Grass $800,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Federer, Roger
Santoro, Fabrice /
Zimonjic, Nenad

6/12/2006 London / Queen's Club
England
International Series Outdoor
Grass $800,000 Sgl 56
Dbl 24 Hewitt, Lleyton
Hanley, Paul /
Ullyett, Kevin

6/19/2006 's-Hertogenbosch
The Netherlands
International Series Outdoor
Grass $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Ancic, Mario
Damm, Martin /
Paes, Leander

6/19/2006 Nottingham
England
International Series Outdoor
Grass $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Gasquet, Richard
Erlich, Jonathan /
Ram, Andy

6/26/2006 Wimbledon
England
Grand Slam Outdoor
Grass $8,847,338 Sgl 128
Dbl 64 Federer, Roger
Bryan, Bob /
Bryan, Mike


7/10/2006 Gstaad
Switzerland
International Series Outdoor
Clay $495,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Gasquet, Richard
Novak, Jiri /
Pavel, Andrei

7/10/2006 Newport
RI, U.S.A.
International Series Outdoor
Grass $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Philippoussis, Mark
Kendrick, Robert /
Melzer, Jurgen

7/10/2006 Bastad
Sweden
International Series Outdoor
Clay $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Robredo, Tommy
Bjorkman, Jonas /
Johansson, Thomas

7/17/2006 Amersfoort
The Netherlands
International Series Outdoor
Clay $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Djokovic, Novak
Martin, Alberto /
Vicente, Fernando

7/17/2006 Stuttgart
Germany
International Series Gold Outdoor
Clay $690,000 Sgl 48
Dbl 16 Ferrer, David
Gaudio, Gaston /
Mirnyi, Max

7/17/2006 Indianapolis
IN, U.S.A.
International Series Outdoor
Hard $600,000 Sgl 48
Dbl 16 Blake, James
Reynolds, Bobby /
Roddick, Andy

7/24/2006 Los Angeles
CA, U.S.A.
International Series Outdoor
Hard $500,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Haas, Tommy
Bryan, Bob /
Bryan, Mike

7/24/2006 Umag
Croatia
International Series Outdoor
Clay $400,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Wawrinka, Stanislas
Levinsky, Jaroslav /
Skoch, David

7/24/2006 Kitzbuhel
Austria
International Series Gold Outdoor
Clay $760,000 Sgl 48
Dbl 16 Calleri, Agustin
Koubek, Stefan /
Kohlschreiber, Philipp

7/31/2006 Sopot
Poland
International Series Outdoor
Clay $500,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Davydenko, Nikolay
Cermak, Frantisek /
Friedl, Leos

7/31/2006 Washington
DC, U.S.A.
International Series Outdoor
Hard $600,000 Sgl 48
Dbl 16 Clement, Arnaud
Bryan, Bob /
Bryan, Mike

8/7/2006 ATP Masters Series Canada
Toronto, Canada
Tennis Masters Series Outdoor
Hard $2,450,000 Sgl 64
Dbl 24 Federer, Roger
Bryan, Bob /
Bryan, Mike


8/14/2006 ATP Masters Series Cincinnati
OH, U.S.A.
Tennis Masters Series Outdoor
Hard $2,450,000 Sgl 64
Dbl 24 Roddick, Andy
Bjorkman, Jonas /
Mirnyi, Max


8/21/2006 New Haven
CT, U.S.A.
International Series Outdoor
Hard $675,000 Sgl 48
Dbl 16 Davydenko, Nikolay
Erlich, Jonathan /
Ram, Andy

8/28/2006 US Open
NY, U.S.A.
Grand Slam Outdoor
Hard $8,582,000 Sgl 128
Dbl 64 Federer, Roger
Damm, Martin /
Paes, Leander


9/11/2006 Beijing
China
International Series Outdoor
Hard $500,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Baghdatis, Marcos
Ancic, Mario /
Bhupathi, Mahesh

9/11/2006 Bucharest
Romania
International Series Outdoor
Clay $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Melzer, Jurgen
Fyrstenberg, Mariusz /
Matkowski, Marcin

9/25/2006 Bangkok
Thailand
International Series Indoor
Hard $550,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Blake, James
Erlich, Jonathan /
Ram, Andy

9/25/2006 Mumbai
India
International Series Indoor
Hard $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16


9/25/2006 Palermo
Italy
International Series Outdoor
Clay $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16 Volandri, Filippo
Garcia, Martin /
Horna, Luis

10/2/2006 Metz
France
International Series Indoor
Hard $380,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16


10/2/2006 Tokyo
Japan
International Series Gold Outdoor
Hard $765,000 Sgl 48
Dbl 16


10/9/2006 Vienna
Austria
International Series Gold Indoor
Hard $690,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16


10/9/2006 Stockholm
Sweden
International Series Indoor
Hard $800,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16


10/9/2006 Moscow
Russia
International Series Indoor
Carpet $1,000,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16


10/16/2006 ATP Masters Series Madrid
Spain
Tennis Masters Series Indoor
Hard $2,450,000 Sgl 48
Dbl 16


10/23/2006 St. Petersburg
Russia
International Series Indoor
Carpet $1,000,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16


10/23/2006 Lyon
France
International Series Indoor
Carpet $800,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16


10/23/2006 Basel
Switzerland
International Series Indoor
Carpet $1,000,000 Sgl 32
Dbl 16


10/30/2006 ATP Masters Series Paris
France
Tennis Masters Series Indoor
Carpet $2,450,000 Sgl 48
Dbl 16



11/13/2006 Tennis Masters Cup Doubles
China
Year-End Championship Indoor
Carpet Dbl 8


11/13/2006 Tennis Masters Cup
China
Year-End Championship Indoor
Carpet $3,700,000 Sgl 8

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Re: Too many hard court tourneys = cause of injuries!! #@@#~Make them grass/carpet/clay??

More grass, please. Not enough of it and the specialists of the surface get like 3 tournaments to accumulate ATP points.

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Old news.

In theory hardcourt is meant to be the most neutral surface and it's the most cost effective. While this is good in those regards, like anything there are side effects. There needs to be a reduction of tournaments in general and not just on hardcourt.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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A Masters Series event on grass, between RG and Wimby, would solve a lot of problems.

We already have enough clay.
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A Masters Series event on grass, between RG and Wimby, would solve a lot of problems.
No, it wouldn't.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Old news.

In theory hardcourt is meant to be the most neutral surface and it's the most cost effective. While this is good in those regards, like anything there are side effects. There needs to be a reduction of tournaments in general and not just on hardcourt.

In the late 1970`s & early 1980`s there were just as many tournaments as the current schedule~ in fact there was probably more back then . However there seemed to be much fewer injuries 20-30 years ago~~ can you explain this phenomenon to me .......Seems to have coincided with the transfer away from grass & clay towards more hard court tourneys
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In the late 1970`s & early 1980`s there were just as many tournaments as the current schedule~ in fact there was probably more back then . However there seemed to be much fewer injuries 20-30 years ago~~ can you explain this phenomenon to me .......Seems to have coincided with the transfer away from grass & clay towards more hard court tourneys
There are too many tournaments now and it was the same then. The thing is at least now there aren't as many long haul flights as there were then.

The game has got a lot faster and more physical and a lot of the players don't train intelligently. You have to look at the types of injuries, they have differed as well. Players will get injured if they don't let their bodies recovered or haven't done a proper off season.

It's not all down to hardcourts, players will get injured irrespective of surface. There are problems with hardcourts, being harder on the joints etc, but it's not just the surface and it's too easy to think that.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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In the late 1970`s & early 1980`s there were just as many tournaments as the current schedule~ in fact there was probably more back then . However there seemed to be much fewer injuries 20-30 years ago~~ can you explain this phenomenon to me .......Seems to have coincided with the transfer away from grass & clay towards more hard court tourneys
good points. Another point that also seems to be overlooked is that tennis is more fun to watch on clay (especially clay) and grass and the players actually have to be better players technically.
Im not a big fan of the power players or those with limited game but a big serve.BORING
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In the late 1970`s & early 1980`s there were just as many tournaments as the current schedule~ in fact there was probably more back then . However there seemed to be much fewer injuries 20-30 years ago~~ can you explain this phenomenon to me .......Seems to have coincided with the transfer away from grass & clay towards more hard court tourneys
What kind of racquets were they using back then? Surely the game is more physical and players are hitting the ball a lot harder today then back then.

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What kind of racquets were they using back then? Surely the game is more physical and players are hitting the ball a lot harder today then back then.
Wooden and then wood graphite, then wood was dumped by most players by the mid 80s.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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No, it wouldn't.
Yes it would

Well if they shorten the season a bit and take some hardcourt out then putting it in would be fine.

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Yes it would

Well if they shorten the season a bit and take some hardcourt out then putting it in would be fine.
It wouldn' t solve the problem at all, there are other factors that need to be considered and fixed up as well.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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Clay is much more taxing on the body than hard courts.
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Clay is much more taxing on the body than hard courts.
That's funny.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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No, it wouldn't.
Maybe be a little more open to other peoples opinions rather than snubbing them as useless. You may not know everything.

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