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Domi.

From what I saw in the match it was quite bad, from what I read just 25% of 1st serves in the 1st Set or so. If anyone saw Thiem in this match, I am not sure how could you say he's a ballbasher -- his FH, as we know is quite a potent AND accurate force, was both the opposite today for some reason. After losing that 1st Set he just didn't look like he want to win this at all, not being patient or just letting Basilashvili dictate him. Long story short, he just played bad/not full effort, but didn't do much to try to improve it, accepting a loss.

That's 2 250's this year where he went to "I Dunn Care" mode (after Sydney) which, removing post-RG (where in the past 2 years he typically doesn't do well, which is of course something he should build upon), is quite unusual for Thiem who is typically consistent and doesn't get upsetted against very lower ranked players, even on HC. Not sure if it is protest against Bresnik (who IMO is the one who is pushing for Thiem to play these many tournaments, which Thiem might not want to anymore) or a lull after a big year, but I still think doomsday is not there yet, although this is a big symptom now, and doesn't bode well about his certainty to stay in the Top 10 this year.

Rotterdam next -- with poor Richard Krajicek losing Stan and Nadal, I think he'll be the top seed. From what I read from Ben Rothenberg, he's shockingly 16-16 since Wimbledon I think. The latter season slump is something he should improve but adding that with a season starter dud is a step backwards for him. If he still doesn't do well in Rotterdam, I say that is the time to be alarmed.

P.S. I don't the comments here -- he played sub-par here but then people STILL think he's a "vulture" (which is still annoying seeing any player developing their game like Domi is still gives them a reason to play lots of matches) when his best result this year is in AO with 3 wins. Players have their haters, but I never get how Domi has. He's got a great game, a good sportsman, very open with supporters as seen with his FB tales, and a hardworker. I still think he has the game to be on top, but I agree he has to reassess how he should approach the game now or fear being held back.
lol at people saying Thiem isn't a vulture.
Played Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, Sofia. He entered Rotterdam, Rio, Acapulco, Indian Wells, Miami. He's played every week on the ATP thus far. That'll be six straight weeks. But according to you that's not vulturing. Okay then.

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lol at people saying Thiem isn't a vulture.
Played Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, Sofia. He entered Rotterdam, Rio, Acapulco, Indian Wells, Miami. He's played every week on the ATP thus far. That'll be six straight weeks. But according to you that's not vulturing. Okay then.
So when a player plays so many tournaments, he's a vulture, is that it only? Why is it bad, especially he hasn't exactly reaching his prime yet? And as I said, how can he vulture when as you saw in this match he looked like he doesn't want to be there? You seem to be a relatively new poster, so I am not exactly sure what earned your ire from him.



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Re: Sofia R2: Basilashvili def. (1) Thiem 6-4 6-4

Thiem to repeat Dimitrov 2015? Next GS Semi to be in 2019 then!
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So when a player plays so many tournaments, he's a vulture, is that it only? Why is it bad, especially he hasn't exactly reaching his prime yet? And as I said, how can he vulture when as you saw in this match he looked like he doesn't want to be there? You seem to be a relatively new poster, so I am not exactly sure what earned your ire from him.

When it seems that he doesn't want to be there, then why does he play there?
And how is not bad to play so many small tournaments in a row on different surfaces to tire yourself out when he did the same mistake already last year?

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So when a player plays so many tournaments, he's a vulture, is that it only? Why is it bad, especially he hasn't exactly reaching his prime yet? And as I said, how can he vulture when as you saw in this match he looked like he doesn't want to be there? You seem to be a relatively new poster, so I am not exactly sure what earned your ire from him.
It's shameless desperate, greedy vulturing that puts people off. Exactly how the likes of Wozniacki got to the world number one ranking, which was a complete joke.
Last year he was a complete vulture and look what happened to him at the end of 2016, he thought he could handle it and his body disagreed.
There's no denying that he isn't talented, because he has an insane amount of talent. I'd like him a lot more if he wasn't so stupid about his scheduling and didn't shamelessly vulture meaningless 250s, especially that his ranking is high. Simply no need.
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@Matt01 To tell the truth, I am not sure. There is likelihood that Bresnik is the one pushing the schedule on Thiem, but the question is why Domi isn't rejecting it? Is he that too concerned about what Bresnik would feel that he won't want to hurt his feelings if he declined? Or is it a deal that Bresnik would only stay with Domi if he follows his schedule (and if not, maybe replace him with Janowicz full time)?

It is already 2 of 4 tournaments this year where Thiem didn't want to be there and knowing how much of a fighter he is it feels odd to see him with no drive in some of the matches. As we saw last year, if he plays, he's going to give it all, even at the risk of burning himself out in the big tournaments. But this is the first year I saw Thiem showing signs of low esteem that is not caused by physical issues. He played OK in AO, so surely I shouldn't worry about him losing 1 match in a 250, but if that attitude is possible, then it is a worrying possibility it could happen in 500's and Masters (and unlike Stan he doesn't have the level to be a Slam elite yet).



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I didn't watch, but it looks like a straight forward loss. A good result.
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I think Thiem is on the way to be another Janowicz. Bash the ball, no tactics, few decent tournaments/seasons and then fade. This kind of players is usually figured out by the whole tour after only dozen matches.
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If this isn't vulturing then I don't know what is.
Correct. You've made it clear you don't know what vulturing is.


Vultures are scavengers; they feed mostly on the dead, though they're willing to attack the wounded and sick. Players who enter events with fields that are beneath their talent to pick up cheap titles are therefore analogous to vultures. Players who merely play every week are not.

Glad I could clear that up for you.
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Does any Thiem "apologist" actually do that to Coric? I thought Thiem supporters are typically civil, and actually are quite rough on Domi. To be fair, Coric had a year to back up his breakthrough to the main tour in 2014, but didn't do well the next 2 years. Meanwhile Thiem was improving since 2014 and did reach a Slam SF and won 7 titles. I guess it could be fair to criticize Domi if this is a dud season but as of now he's done better than what Dimitrov has done at his current age.
You're clearly one of those posters that only sees what you want to see. Thiem supporters are the most two-faced fanbase on MTF. They happily attack other players but whine like schoolgirls when anyone criticises Thiem.
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Re: Sofia R2: Basilashvili def. (1) Thiem 6-4 6-4

Turns out that he was sick recently and had to stay in bed a couple of days. Worth considering, dear MTF vultures.

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Well thiem being sick would easy my mind at least a bit, to explain why he played that fkin poorly
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Correct. You've made it clear you don't know what vulturing is.


Vultures are scavengers; they feed mostly on the dead, though they're willing to attack the wounded and sick. Players who enter events with fields that are beneath their talent to pick up cheap titles are therefore analogous to vultures. Players who merely play every week are not.

Glad I could clear that up for you.

Which tournaments would be considered beneath Thiem's talent to consider him a vulture? Challengers?

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as greedy as thiem is (obv bresnik is the one pushing for the dollars), he just showed up to collect the six figure appearance fee and now he's on the next plane to south america. he should be fined for lack of effort. what a clown.
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Which tournaments would be considered beneath Thiem's talent to consider him a vulture? Challengers?
I will say I would prefer Thiem playing less, but he's still developing his game, that a Fognini-like 2013 run where he unexpectedly succeed in many 250 tournaments, may be OK. I mean, he still has to improve his Top 10 ability, so maybe he feels he isn't stable there yet. That being said it has shown playing this lot does have a seemingly bad affect him and I said if he still doesn't improve in the bigger stages that is where I would worry. All these build up in the smaller tournaments is for being tougher come big tournament time so it will be wasted if he doesn't improve in the bigger stages.



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