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My Theory on Rafael Nadal's Good Performance at AO 2017

I have the theory of why Rafael Nadal performed remarkably well at AO 2017.

I see that he has adapted his game to be more aggressive than before. Okay, so not at Roger Federer's level of aggressive, but still far more aggressive than a Djokovic or a Murray. Combine this with taking few months off to fully heal and the faster conditions of Australia, it was a nice cocktail to explain his good performance.

Keep in mind, the courts were faster but still bounced high, perfect for Rafa. Rafa struggles in low bouncing fast courts. These high bouncing fast courts helped his new found aggressive game. I don't have data to back this, but it felt that he used high cross court backhand quite early in rallies, especially as the faster courts made them more lethal.

However, this would mean that Rafa's game is still left unproven in slower courts. Can he come back to dominate the long gruelling rallies from far behind the baseline against a Djokovic or a Wawrinka. Not sure. We'll find out as the season progresses. My tip for gamblers, Rafa is still not a lock for RG. Let's wait and see his performance on slow court conditions which are "par" for the summer swing of the season.

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Re: My Theory on Rafael Nadal's Good Performance at AO 2017

His AO level is overrated. It wasn't much different from last years (at least the parts where he was healthy) except some minor changes maybe, he was just fortunate that Zverev was cramping and he came through the 5-setter. Otherwise he would have lost in the first week like he did last year.

Dimitrov could/should have won as well and the matches against Monfils and Raonic were also closer than the scoreline suggests so I highly doubt he will be able to repeat that kind of result on that kind of surface.

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Good post. Nadals biggest problem is that he isn't as clutch as he used to be. While still playing ok at important points, in the past he would show up with his best tennis. In addition to this, I doubt that his loss against Federer improved his confidence.

Still, as long as Nadal sets a foot on the courts in Roland Garros, he will always be the favourite. He earned that. Can't wait to see how he plays on clay this season.

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Re: My Theory on Rafael Nadal's Good Performance at AO 2017

I thought he was always trying to transform his game into a more aggressive one. Wasn't he trying out a heavier Head racquet last year?
The greatest improvement I see compared to last year is his serve. FH is still a far cry from what it used to be.

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The greatest improvement I see compared to last year is his serve. FH is still a far cry from what it used to be.
I agree with that. His forehand could be perceived to be more lethal this year, but I would credit the fast court for that. To me it was still very short most of the time. Djokovic will eat that up even more than Federer's backhands did.

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Still, as long as Nadal sets a foot on the courts in Roland Garros, he will always be the favourite. He earned that. Can't wait to see how he plays on clay this season.
Agreed again. I would love to see him at Miami actually. The slow HC will give a good indication of his performance in the clay season.

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Still drops the FH way too short when trying to close out a close match, BH is good though
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Re: My Theory on Rafael Nadal's Good Performance at AO 2017

The question arises: Is Nadal now a better fast court player than Djokovic / Murray?

Corollary of which: Are Murray / Djokovic better than Nadal on slow clay?

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Still drops the FH way too short when trying to close out a close match, BH is good though
I disagree. Its the serve that is way worse and cost him that 5th. RAFA was saving BPs with his FH CCs and willpower but his serve has let him down over and over again. IIRC he faced BPs in every of his service games in the deciding set of AO final.

RAFA needs to improve serve if he wanna win Wimbledon or USO where its a big weapon since his movement has declined.
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Nadal is too good to lose before quarters everytime, but the fact that Raonic, Monfils and Dimitrov lost to him and the way it happened says more about them than about Rafa (Raonic had flu, leg issue, and sucks in big matches, Monfils doesn't believe he can beat Big-3 and clowns every fucking time; Dimitrov is not good and clutch enough for a Slam final, at least for now). As for Zverev match, Nadal wasn't playing better than against Verdasco, Fognini or Pouille, and all these three matches he failed to close out when he was ahead (hell, we can add this year final as well), i see no reason to think he would have fared better if Alex had not cramped.
Are you kidding me?

1) Monfils played the match of his life against a big 3 player, took the 3rd set with ease and was up a break in the 4th before GOATdal showed up to stop him.

2) BOTnic was perfectly fine. In his previous match interview he said he was feeling "fantastic" when asked about his health so he was also 100%. Even his hardcore fan @Loosie didn't make any excuse after the match...

3) Divatrov - Arguably the best match ever he has played at any slams and gave RAFA a run for his money. He was up 4-3* 40-0 on RAFA's serve but GOATdal saved them with bravery and clutchness by attacking the net and CC forehands.

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got broken twice in the 5th set
Thrice. Please get the facts right for your next post attempt before trying to tell us how bad Nadals serve is.

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Thrice. Please get the facts right for your next post attempt before trying to tell us how bad Nadals serve is.

Correct. RAFA was in a big slump in 2015-16 but now he is slowly recovering to his previous glory days form
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Are you kidding me?
No, but this is you kidding yourself:

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1) Monfils played the match of hos life against a big 3 player, took the 3rd set with ease and was up a break in the 4th before GOATdal showed up to stop him

2) BOTnic was perfectly fine. In his previous match interview he said he was feeling "fantastic" when asked about his health so he was also 100%. Even his hardcore fan @Loosie didn't make any excuse after the match...
As for Dimitrov, this is indeed probably his best competitive Slam match to date, i just think he is not good enough to win those matches.

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Last year RAFA went out in the 1st round and got broken twice in the 5th set against MUGdasco. This year he won 2 5th set defeating INFORM Zverev and Divatrov who threw everything at RAFA and led 3-1 in the 3rd 5th set match before the choke.
So you do agree It's Dimitrov who choked not Rafa who won match?? Lol...
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No, but this is you kidding yourself:
No I am not. Please re-read what I wrote
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So you do agree It's Dimitrov who choked not Rafa who won match?? Lol...
I said 3rd 5th set match i.e the AO final

Diva never led 3-1 in the 5th in AO SF...
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