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Who was/is the better player historically: Guga or Hewitt?

After reading the article on Guga's latest attempt at coming back (with his former coach this time), I started looking at past rankings and the like. In 2000, Guga ended the year #1, and, had he not had the hip injuries, would have almost definitely ended 2001 as #1 as well...instead of Hewitt.

So, who would you say was the better overall player? I have to say, if both are healthy, Guga!!!!

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Guga, for sure.


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Re: Who was/is the better player historically: Guga or Hewitt?

Not sure....Hewitt has more titles but Guga has one more slam. Hewitt won on two different surfaces and guga on one. Hewitt really dominated the sport in two years. Hewitt was really good back then even though maybe Guga is a better overall player. HAHAHAH i don`t know, maybe Hewitt
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Re: Who was/is the better player historically: Guga or Hewitt?

Close call, with Hewitt's triumph over Guga on the Brazilian clay in straight sets in 2001 DC making it even tougher.

For sure Guga is the more watchable of the two.
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Re: Who was/is the better player historically: Guga or Hewitt?

Guga edges it I think, not just because of Slams won but also by virtue of reaching 3 Slam QFs off clay (1 Wimbledon, 2 US) to Hewitt's 2 at RG. Not to mention a much better Masters Series resume with titles on clay and hard, which probably balances out Hewitt's 2 TMCs to Guga's 1. Close call when you weigh everything up, though!

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Re: Who was/is the better player historically: Guga or Hewitt?

Mind you, Hewitt has made 1 more Slam final, and was no. 1 for twice as many weeks.... I wouldn't like to make the decision if pressed.

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ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

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Re: Who was/is the better player historically: Guga or Hewitt?

I think Hewitt was better, because he has won two different Grand Slams, and two Masters Cup.

Guga has won only one Master Cup and three times Roland Garros, but in the others slams he hasn't done too much.
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Re: Who was/is the better player historically: Guga or Hewitt?

Head to head: 3-1 in favor of Hewitt....but remember, two of those victories came during the Guga injury years...

And Hewitt really didn't dominate 2001, he became #1 at the year-end Masters...Guga was really dominating the tour that year...up to the injuries and the quarters of the U.S. Open...his hard court season was great!!!!

Guga lost so many matches in the first round after the Open...he couldn't even win a round robin match at the Masters...all because of the injuries!!!

Guga would have almost certainly ended the year #1 again without the injuries...

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Re: Who was/is the better player historically: Guga or Hewitt?

Not a good match-up for Guga anyway though, with Hewitt returning so well and flinging everything back at him; I mean he beat Kuerten on clay in Brazil in prime form in 2001, if you can beat him in those circumstances you can do it anywhere.

I suppose one of the great "what ifs" is what would have happened had it been Guga instead of Kafelnikov against Hewitt in the 2001 US Open semis - no 80-minute drubbing for sure, but I still reckon Hewitt would have won, and he was a deserved year-end no. 1 in the end. Kuerten's injuries didn't win him those US Open and TMC crowns single-handedly.

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Re: Who was/is the better player historically: Guga or Hewitt?

That's a tough call! It's close and I could understand arguments for both players.

I would have to go with Hewitt, even though he has fewer slams. One reason is that Guga's slam results outside of Roland Garros are poorer than Hewitt's general grand slam results (Guga's best were 2 USO QF, 1 Wimb QF, and 1 AO 3rd round). Another reason is the sense that Hewitt was truly the best player in the world for about two years. It's easy to forget now just how much his fight and consistency were feared by those who played him.

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Re: Who was/is the better player historically: Guga or Hewitt?

Hewitt was very consistent and regular in most surfaces. I mean, checking all his results at their best moment, Hewitt is much more better I think.

but Guga's tennis was better. The best Kuerten would kick ass from Hewitt's best.

and well... guga also lost to Hrbaty in DC 2000 (at home).

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Re: Who was/is the better player historically: Guga or Hewitt?

Guga:

Grand Slams titles: (3) Roland Garros (97, 00, 01)

Grand Slam QFs: (5) Wimbledon (99), USO (99,01), RG (99, 04).

Masters-Series titles: (5) Monte Carlo (99, 01), Rome (99), Hamburg (00), Cincinnati (01)

TMC titles: (1) 2000

Career titles: 20

Weeks at number 1: 43

Year-End number 1: (1) 2000



Hewitt:

Grand Slam titles: (2) USO (01), Wimbledon (02)

Grand Slam finals: (2) USO (04), AO (05)

Grand Slam SFs: (4) USO (00, 02, 05), Wimbledon (05)

Grand Slam QFs: (6) RG (01, 04), Wimbledon (04, 06), USO (03, 06)

Masters-Series titles: (2) Indian Wells (02, 03)

TMC titles: (2) 2001, 2002

Career titles: 25

Weeks at number 1: 80


Year-End number 1: (2) 2001, 2002


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Re: Who was/is the better player historically: Guga or Hewitt?

Without injuries, I will give Guga the edge.

Guga's game matured at 2000, especially on surface other than clay. After winning TMC 2000, he's confident he can win on faster surface and even though he was playing injured during US hard court season in 2001, he managed to win TMS Cincy, lost to Agassi SF in LA, lost to Roddick in TMC Canada, retired in the final vs Rafter in Indianapolis and QF to Kafelnikov in USO. All these are quality players on hard court.

Without his hip injuries, he can definitely challenge any top 10 hard court players and continues to reign on clay courts a few more years. Guga's serve is very very good and he can hit with power and precision from both wings.
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Without injuries, I will give Guga the edge.

Guga's game matured at 2000, especially on surface other than clay. After winning TMC 2000, he's confident he can win on faster surface and even though he was playing injured during US hard court season in 2001, he managed to win TMS Cincy, lost to Agassi SF in LA, lost to Roddick in TMC Canada, retired in the final vs Rafter in Indianapolis and QF to Kafelnikov in USO. All these are quality players on hard court.

Without his hip injuries, he can definitely challenge any top 10 hard court players and continues to reign on clay courts a few more years. Guga's serve is very very good and he can hit with power and precision from both wings.
I agree with you, Lee, that without injuries Guga could quite easily have run away with the lead. (Going by actual results, however, I have to lean towards Hewitt).

Anyway, if there's any doubt that Guga could play on hard court, here's his 2001 Cincinnati draw!:

1st Round Andy Roddick (USA) 24 7-6(3) 6-1
2nd Round Tommy Haas (Germany) 22 7-6(4) 7-6(10)
Round of 16 Goran Ivanisevic (Croatia) 11 6-2 6-1
QF Yevgeny Kafelnikov (Russia) 10 6-4 3-6 6-4
SF Tim Henman (UK) 8 6-2 1-6 7-6(4)
Final Patrick Rafter (Australia) 4 6-1 6-3

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Re: Who was/is the better player historically: Guga or Hewitt?

Hewitt but not by much. I think people may have the tendancy to edge toward Guga purely because he is so likeable.

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